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Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:33 pmby daysofourlives
Has anyone spared a thought for all those Bulldogs and Hawks supporters in these tough times.
I bet none of you have, you all just think about your bloody selves dont you!!
The last time at least one of these clubs wasnt in a GF Port beat Sturt and North beat Carlton.
Maybe there's some Crows fans out there who can give us some advice on being a neutral on Grand Final day
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:35 amby Wedgie
daysofourlives wrote:Has anyone spared a thought for all those Bulldogs and Hawks supporters in these tough times.
I bet none of you have, you all just think about your bloody selves dont you!!
The last time at least one of these clubs wasnt in a GF Port beat Sturt and North beat Carlton.
Maybe there's some Crows fans out there who can give us some advice on being a neutral on Grand Final day
Port beat Norwood in 99 mate.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:48 amby Footy Chick
Quick, everyone get on the pingas and then go kill someone they don't like.
You'll get away with it..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-09-28/cy-walsh-found-not-guilty-due-to-mental-incompetence/7884062
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:55 amby Wedgie
Judge rules Cy Walsh was suffering schizophrenic episode when he stabbed his Dad 20 times,and was
NOT on drugs.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:55 amby Booney
Can't agree with that FC. For over a year he's been analyzed by people with far more understanding of his mental health than you or I and hes been found to have been mentally impaired at the time and is not criminally responsible for the act. Cold comfort for many, but we've got to trust the experts judgement.
I think saying "the pingas" is being disrespectful to the mental state of the young man. The judge made it clear it was not, in the experts view, drug induced.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:58 amby HH3
Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:59 amby Wedgie
HH3 wrote:Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
So could have a visit from Martians.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:11 pmby Footy Chick
Would be interesting to hear the thoughts of @The Big Shrek.
Mental health is thrown around too much today. Every other person has mental health issues and should no longer be able to be used as a defense against crime.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:41 pmby Booney
Footy Chick wrote:Mental health is thrown around too much today. Every other person has mental health issues and should no longer be able to be used as a defense against crime.
Perhaps they do and unless it's you who is the "other person" you simply can't judge.
As for it being a defence, that's a very different debate.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:51 pmby Magellan
Wedgie wrote:HH3 wrote:Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
So could have a visit from Martians.
Is Kevin Sheedy involved?
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:54 pmby HH3
Wedgie wrote:HH3 wrote:Drugs may have had a detrimental effect on his state of mind well prior to the night of the murder, so it could still have been a factor.
So could have a visit from Martians.
Thats true.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:12 pmby The Big Shrek
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/c ... s269c.htmlThe rationale is that the criminal law punishes people who have a mens rea(guilty mind). people who are so unwell they don't know what they are doing, for example think they are stabbing an evil alien, don't deserve to be punished. However they are detained to protect the community.
Look at the section and s268. The law specifically excludes people who take drugs from having a defence. However persons with mental health issues are often very vulnerable and fall into drug use. It then gets very complicated.
People who think everyone on antidepressants can use this defence are wrong. The defendant has to be seriously unwell before it works.
I'd say 75% of the jail population has some mental health issue. 80% would be there because of drugs. Only a very few people can use this particular defence.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:15 pmby Booney
The Big Shrek wrote:http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s269c.html
The rationale is that the criminal law punishes people who have a mens rea(guilty mind). people who are so unwell they don't know what they are doing, for example think they are stabbing an evil alien, don't deserve to be punished. However they are detained to protect the community.
Look at the section and s268. The law specifically excludes people who take drugs from having a defence. However persons with mental health issues are often very vulnerable and fall into drug use. It then gets very complicated.
People who think everyone on antidepressants can use this defence are wrong. The defendant has to be seriously unwell before it works.
I'd say 75% of the jail population has some mental health issue. 80% would be there because of drugs. Only a very few people can use this particular defence.
Thankyou our learned colleague. So "take some pingas and kill someone and get off" has no basis whatsoever.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:23 pmby bennymacca
Love how people think they know more than the judge and professionals who would have worked this case for a year
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:02 pmby HH3
Booney wrote:The Big Shrek wrote:http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s269c.html
The rationale is that the criminal law punishes people who have a mens rea(guilty mind). people who are so unwell they don't know what they are doing, for example think they are stabbing an evil alien, don't deserve to be punished. However they are detained to protect the community.
Look at the section and s268. The law specifically excludes people who take drugs from having a defence. However persons with mental health issues are often very vulnerable and fall into drug use. It then gets very complicated.
People who think everyone on antidepressants can use this defence are wrong. The defendant has to be seriously unwell before it works.
I'd say 75% of the jail population has some mental health issue. 80% would be there because of drugs. Only a very few people can use this particular defence.
Thankyou our learned colleague. So "take some pingas and kill someone and get off" has no basis whatsoever.
Depends if that pinga use helped cause the mental health problems he's experiencing in the first place.
He obviously didn't just shelve a pinga, stab his Dad and get off, now that the facts on his lack of drug use that night are out. But drug use could have helped lead to the murder and the mental health problems he was exonerated because of.
I think my opinions right in the middle of Booney and FC's.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:07 pmby Booney
Did mental illness cause the drug use, or did drug use cause the mental illness? Either way, anyone who is willing to voice an opinion on this who isn't fully informed in my view, shouldn't.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:08 pmby HH3
Booney wrote:Did mental illness cause the drug use, or did drug use cause the mental illness? Either way, anyone who is willing to voice an opinion on this who isn't fully informed in my view, shouldn't.
Like you?
Your opinions to trust the court ruling, but thats still an opinion.
Some ruling need to be discussed, from both sides.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:10 pmby Q.
Mental illness often leads to substance abuse.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:12 pmby HH3
Q. wrote:Mental illness often leads to substance abuse.
Use of hard, unregulated (even regulated) drugs can lead to mental illness too.
Re: Things that give you the sh1ts
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Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:12 pmby Booney
HH3 wrote:Booney wrote:Did mental illness cause the drug use, or did drug use cause the mental illness? Either way, anyone who is willing to voice an opinion on this who isn't fully informed in my view, shouldn't.
Like you?
Your opinions to trust the court ruling, but thats still an opinion.Some ruling need to be discussed, from both sides.
Long bow. I'm talking about voicing an opinion on his drug use, that he was just on pingas and get away with it.
My opinion, if you like, is that none of us are in a position to make comment on the findings of the case and how they arrived at it. Sure, discuss the case as I am and happy to, but to question the merits of the finding? No.