I need to know....

[Psyber]

I don't find it offensive. Call me what you like, just don't call me late for breakfast.

I like a late breakfast - it means I can wait for daylight before I get up.

[The Sleeping Giant]

I don't find it offensive. Call me what you like, just don't call me late for breakfast.

I like a late breakfast - it means I can wait for daylight before I get up.

You can always have brekkie, then go for a nap.

[Psyber]

You can always have brekkie, then go for a nap.

Nah...
Once I'm up, I'm up, and somehow I seem to be almost more busy since I retired from full time work.
I think it is that when I worked full time I did one job all day, whereas now I seem to have multiple things to do.
(I'm off to a contract job in northern NSW for 10 weeks from mid-June.)

[HH3]

My initial post has nothing to do with the young girl calling Adam Goodes names.

All week we've heard about Aboriginal players, which is a great thing. The thing that makes me wonder if this whole thing is a good thing or not is the way people talk about the blokes. Most of the time they talk about them in a condescending tone, no matter who's saying it. It seems forced, and not genuine.

My thinking is that the longer we talk about players just because of the colour of their skin, the longer there will be racism in our game. Isnt the whole idea of multiculturalism and acceptance to treat everybody equal? This is highlighting the fact that indeginous Australians are different to the majority, when really, they arent. They are human beings.

Im not really across the statistics, but how many of the Aboriginal blokes come from remote areas, and how many come from the suburbs of major cities or regional country towns? Id have a stab in the dark and say nowadays a lot of them would come from similar backgrounds to a lot of the caucasion players.

I also think people saying that Im trying to tell Aboriginal people how they should feel are just trying to get on some sort of high horse. People can feel however they want to. This is how I feel. I have no ill feelings towards Aboriginal guys at all. I have mates that are Aboriginal. I spent my early years in Darwin. I play footy with them too. What gives any of you white guys the right to tell me how Aboriginal people would feel about my comments. If I cant have an opinion, neither can you.

[stampy]

thats a great post

[Pseudo]

Q, I'd dispute that the term "ape" does specifically imply "inferiority due to race".
It has always implied inferiority due to being muscle-bound and stupid, and is still used that way.

^ this, with the postscript that one should examine the intent behind the utterance, not the utterance itself.

[OnSong]

Q, I'd dispute that the term "ape" does specifically imply "inferiority due to race".
It has always implied inferiority due to being muscle-bound and stupid, and is still used that way.

^ this, with the postscript that one should examine the intent behind the utterance, not the utterance itself.

I described a footballer on radio recently as "like a gorilla from the Amazon".
He is white but does strongly resemble a gorilla-like build, albeit with less hair.

Not taking sides in the debate, just saying I did this very thing.

[Johno6]

would never of picked you to be that type OS.

for shame

[OnSong]

would never of picked you to be that type OS.

for shame

x2

I'm a racist it seems.

[CENTURION]

I'm not racist, I hate everyone.

[Booney]

FWIW - I dont think the girl had one iota of racial undertone in her comment, it was one poor,very poor choice of one word.

I also think is Goodes had Friday night over he might not have been quite to insistent or demonstrative in the moment.

[woodublieve12]

FWIW - I dont think the girl had one iota of racial undertone in her comment, it was one poor,very poor choice of one word.

I also think is Goodes had Friday night over he might not have been quite to insistent or demonstrative in the moment.

he hardly was that... And honestly do you think that was the word used???? i reckon there was something more sinister and goodes change the word to save some face for her.

[Lightning McQueen]

FWIW - I dont think the girl had one iota of racial undertone in her comment, it was one poor,very poor choice of one word.

I also think is Goodes had Friday night over he might not have been quite to insistent or demonstrative in the moment.

he hardly was that... And honestly do you think that was the word used???? i reckon there was something more sinister and goodes change the word to save some face for her.

Err? He pointed her out immediately & wanted the world to know, he was very demonstrative. Yes, I think the word was used, she seemed somewhat surprised that she was the centre of attention, if it wasn't for the Andrew Symonds "monkey" debacle many Australians would be none the wiser.

[woodublieve12]

FWIW - I dont think the girl had one iota of racial undertone in her comment, it was one poor,very poor choice of one word.

I also think is Goodes had Friday night over he might not have been quite to insistent or demonstrative in the moment.

he hardly was that... And honestly do you think that was the word used???? i reckon there was something more sinister and goodes change the word to save some face for her.

Err? He pointed her out immediately & wanted the world to know, he was very demonstrative. Yes, I think the word was used, she seemed somewhat surprised that she was the centre of attention, if it wasn't for the Andrew Symonds "monkey" debacle many Australians would be none the wiser.

i have zero problem what he did!!! Regardless if i follow sydney or not!!! He handled it just fine imo... WHAT WAS SAID WAS RACIST!!!! So was the monkey comment on Symonds...If she didn;t get pulled up on it, she would continue to do it. It's talked about enough in society today to know it's not on.
It's unacceptable imo. If my daughter did the same thing i would be disgusted! And this heat of the moment excuse people are saying in her defence is ridiculous.

[OnSong]

Do I think the comment was offensive for Goodes and other indigenous Australians? Yes.

Did she racially vilify Goodes? Yes.

Do I think the girl said it to deliberately racially vilify Goodes? No.

Was Goodes' handling of the situation satisfactory and warranted? Yes.

[Lightning McQueen]

Do I think the comment was offensive for Goodes and other indigenous Australians? Yes.

Did she racially vilify Goodes? Yes.

Do I think the girl said it to deliberately racially vilify Goodes? No.

Was Goodes' handling of the situation satisfactory and warranted? Yes.

4/4.

[Lightning McQueen]

i have zero problem what he did!!! Regardless if i follow sydney or not!!! He handled it just fine imo... WHAT WAS SAID WAS RACIST!!!! So was the monkey comment on Symonds...If she didn;t get pulled up on it, she would continue to do it. It's talked about enough in society today to know it's not on.
It's unacceptable imo. If my daughter did the same thing i would be disgusted! And this heat of the moment excuse people are saying in her defence is ridiculous.

My point is that i don't think many 13 year old's would realize the word were "racist", derogatory or insulting yes.

[woodublieve12]

i have zero problem what he did!!! Regardless if i follow sydney or not!!! He handled it just fine imo... WHAT WAS SAID WAS RACIST!!!! So was the monkey comment on Symonds...If she didn;t get pulled up on it, she would continue to do it. It's talked about enough in society today to know it's not on.
It's unacceptable imo. If my daughter did the same thing i would be disgusted! And this heat of the moment excuse people are saying in her defence is ridiculous.

My point is that i don't think many 13 year old's would realize the word were "racist", derogatory or insulting yes.

fair point mate. Maybe i'm talking from a personal perspective, because when i was 13 i was taught what was acceptable and what wasn't.

[Ron Burgundy]

Q, I'd dispute that the term "ape" does specifically imply "inferiority due to race".
It has always implied inferiority due to being muscle-bound and stupid, and is still used that way.

^ this, with the postscript that one should examine the intent behind the utterance, not the utterance itself.

I described a footballer on radio recently as "like a gorilla from the Amazon".
He is white but does strongly resemble a gorilla-like build, albeit with less hair.

Not taking sides in the debate, just saying I did this very thing.

Are there Gorillas in the Amazon?

[Lightning McQueen]

My point is that i don't think many 13 year old's would realize the word were "racist", derogatory or insulting yes.

fair point mate. Maybe i'm talking from a personal perspective, because when i was 13 i was taught what was acceptable and what wasn't.[/quote]
Maybe times are changing too rapidly and I'm stuck in the 90's. I wouldn't have known that was racist when I was 13, basically anything to do with someone's appearance now can be deemed as "racist" it seems, I don't object to it if that's how the world rolls.
There's good and bad in every race, I guess society has to be more selective when they use adjectives now against one another, it has come a long way since the 80's, in a good way though, there's more equality.