Disgraceful & un-Australian

[The Big Shrek]

That comment says more about you than Elizabeth.

While you're still wearing your psychoanalyst hat, what would you read into a bloke who deliberately ignores a smiley in order to clamber upon his high horse in a public forum?

Rhetorical question, by the way.

That's gold!

[The Big Shrek]

I wonder if we could mount a case against accepting refugees from Elizabeth.

[Psyber]

Talking nicely to them about it doesn't make much difference - they just see you as being weak.

You're kidding, right? You've obviously never spoken to any.
Yes, let's treat them like pariahs so they never feel inclusive and never assimilate

In the context "grown up" in my first post here I meant the older, more hardened, ones who are really set in a hostile mode, not all disturbed kids.
And yes I have talked to a lot of disturbed youth. In my earlier career I ran an inpatient adolescent unit in SA for most of two years.
I found it necessary to weed out the older and more aggressive ones for the sake of the younger ones you could do something with.
Otherwise they just set themselves up as gang leaders and dragged the younger ones along with them.
Once that weeding out was done we had a generally good outcome rate.

The Jesuits were right with, "Give me the boy, and I will give you the man."
If you can't intercede and break the pattern young enough, or early enough in the process, you don't get far.

[leftlegger]

Fair dinkum, we dont like them cause the way they dress?

I think more to the point is when you dress with the intent to intimidate, you cant expect all parts of society to embrace you.

In Melbourne Sudanese gangs are attacking other teenagers every week.
If you're walking down the street and theyre coming towards you it is VERY intimidating.

and by no means are they ONLY intimidating crew on the street.

If they were white and all dressed up like wannabe gangstas would you still be intimidated?

Good question!

mmm....Probably not. Depends how sketchy the white dudes were.

[silicone skyline]

Sure, it's disgraceful, but what's so un-Australian about it?

Un-Australian is not buying a bloke a beer after he bought you one.

Stabbing a young lad or two is as much un-Australian as it is un-Sudanese.

Doesn't matter what country you are in, behavior like this is disgraceful.

Having got to this point, I'm not completely sure what we're supposed to be discussing ...

[GWW]

The main issue is probably with the government for not providing enough support services to these people who have come from this type of background. Given that these immigrants' crime rate is about double the rest of the community (source - today's Tiser), the government certainly has to do something to provide the back up services necessary to settle them into the community.

[Psyber]

The main issue is probably with the government for not providing enough support services to these people who have come from this type of background. Given that these immigrants' crime rate is about double the rest of the community (source - today's Tiser), the government certainly has to do something to provide the back up services necessary to settle them into the community.

Something like Migrant Hostels with support and welfare staff, and an education programme including civil rights and the laws and responsibilities that go with them.
And somewhere at the end, before you leave the hostel, the message that you are a guest, and if you break certain laws you will be asked to leave, rather than be granted citizenship.

[Q.]

Talking nicely to them about it doesn't make much difference - they just see you as being weak.

You're kidding, right? You've obviously never spoken to any.
Yes, let's treat them like pariahs so they never feel inclusive and never assimilate

In the context "grown up" in my first post here I meant the older, more hardened, ones who are really set in a hostile mode, not all disturbed kids.
And yes I have talked to a lot of disturbed youth. In my earlier career I ran an inpatient adolescent unit in SA for most of two years.
I found it necessary to weed out the older and more aggressive ones for the sake of the younger ones you could do something with.
Otherwise they just set themselves up as gang leaders and dragged the younger ones along with them.
Once that weeding out was done we had a generally good outcome rate.

The Jesuits were right with, "Give me the boy, and I will give you the man."
If you can't intercede and break the pattern young enough, or early enough in the process, you don't get far.

That's a great story, but what I'm trying to say is the original post isn't applicable to Sudanese refugees.

And it's absurd of you to make the assertion that refugee kids are like disturbed youth from an inpatient adolescent unit.

[Footy Chick]

The main issue is probably with the government for not providing enough support services to these people who have come from this type of background. Given that these immigrants' crime rate is about double the rest of the community (source - today's Tiser), the government certainly has to do something to provide the back up services necessary to settle them into the community.

Something like Migrant Hostels with support and welfare staff, and an education programme including civil rights and the laws and responsibilities that go with them.
And somewhere at the end, before you leave the hostel, the message that you are a guest, and if you break certain laws you will be asked to leave, rather than be granted citizenship.

Correct Psyber

My Nanna said that when they first came to Australia in 1956, they were put in "hostels" or Camps and taught english and taught how to adapt and cope in Australian society.

Now they just hand them a centrelink payment and tell them to fend for themselves. I have a young afghan girl and her mum living across from me, they've been here for about 3 or so years now, come election time they had no idea how to vote or that they had to vote, so my next door neighbour and I had to show them...

[Leaping Lindner]

I think using the phrase Un-Australian is Un-Australian.

[smac]

That comment says more about you than Elizabeth.

While you're still wearing your psychoanalyst hat, what would you read into a bloke who deliberately ignores a smiley in order to clamber upon his high horse in a public forum?

Rhetorical question, by the way.

If the question is rhetorical, then you are aware that the smiley does nothing to water down the repeated sledging of a suburb or group of people. But if it makes you feel better to post such comments then please, go right ahead. As I stated earlier, it is more an indication of who you are than anything else.

[Dogwatcher]

I wonder if we could mount a case against accepting refugees from Elizabeth.

I thought you would be happy with people from Elizabeth, a certain number of your players over the past few years have been from out that way (Whelan, Wilson to name two).

[Dogwatcher]

[ Something like Migrant Hostels with support and welfare staff, and an education programme including civil rights and the laws and responsibilities that go with them.
And somewhere at the end, before you leave the hostel, the message that you are a guest, and if you break certain laws you will be asked to leave, rather than be granted citizenship.

Ha ha ha - and then the very same people who suggest these people should be shipped back to where they came from, would then have a crack at them for not 'assimilating' and for living in ghettos among their people and not talking our language.

These people can't win.

[Dogwatcher]

I have a young afghan girl and her mum living across from me, they've been here for about 3 or so years now, come election time they had no idea how to vote or that they had to vote, so my next door neighbour and I had to show them...

I see that at every election - often from supposedly educated 'locals'.

[The Big Shrek]

I wonder if we could mount a case against accepting refugees from Elizabeth.

I thought you would be happy with people from Elizabeth, a certain number of your players over the past few years have been from out that way (Whelan, Wilson to name two).

Thought that might come up. They are skilled migrants, not refugees.

[Dogwatcher]

I'll give you that.

[Leaping Lindner]

Hands up all those on this thread who relatives were here before 1788!!!
Me thinks most of us might be considered "migrants".

[nuggety goodness]

Hands up all those on this thread who relatives were here before 1788!!!
Me thinks most of us might be considered "migrants".

i'll put my hand up.... i'm proper true aussie brudda...

[Dogwatcher]

I often wondered why you had your nickname....

[Dog_ger]

Unfortunately this is Australia 2008.

A Tragic incident. But starting to become a common event.

My heart goes out to the poor family.

To the Sudanese community as a whole.

This wasn't a person carrying a knife. He purchased it 17 odd minutes before the event.

But how many people carry a weapon of some description?

And Why?

Can't you just walk away...?