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[Ian]

:D Check the stats !

As much as I love the blue oval, Holden seem to be able to pull off Bathurst wins on a regular basis, but Ford have proven far more consistant over a whole series, taking out the ATCC 7 more times than Holden in the series's 46 year history.
(perhaps this proves Wedgies theory, "The problem with most Ford sales RRTW is that Fords are so good they dont need to be replaced until theyre 20 years old hence why Fords sales are slower than Holdens. The Commodores fall apart after about 2 years hence their owners need to buy another one and that drives sales up.")

The Australian touring Car championship started in 1960

ATCC

Ford, 20 wins
Holden, 13 wins
Jaguar, 4 wins
Nissan, 3 wins
Chevrolet, 2 wins
BMW, 2 wins
Volvo, 1 win
Mazda, 1 win

The great race ( Bathurst) has had a number of names over the last 43 years, and a number of different manufacturers have won it.


The predecessor of the bathurst race was run at Phillip Island from 1960-1962


1963 - 1965 : Armstrong 500
1966 - 1967 : Gallaher 500
1968 - 1972 : Hardie Ferodo 500
1973 - 1980 : Hardie Ferodo 1000
1981 - 1987 : James Hardie 1000
1988 - 1995 : Tooheys 1000
1996 : AMP 1000
1997 : Primus 1000
1998 - 2000 : FAI 1000
2001 : V8 Supercar 1000
2002 - 2004 : Bob Jane T-Marts 1000
2005 : Super Cheap Auto Bathurst 1000

Phillip Island

Ford, 1 Win
Mercedes, 1 win
Vauxhall, 1 win

Bathurst

Holden, 23 wins
Ford, 14 wins
Nissan, 2 wins
Jaguar, 1 win
Morris, 1 win
BMW, 1 win
Volvo, 1 win

Total

Holden, 23 wins
Ford, 15 wins
Nissan, 2 wins
Jaguar, 1 win
Morris, 1 win
BMW, 1 win
Volvo, 1 win
Mercedes, 1 win
Vauxhall, 1 win

[Ian]

check all your books champ and you might learn something again ?

[RoostersRuleTheWorld !]

Looks like all u ford fans just go by the last 3 years !
wedge says ford have won the last 3 champs !
what and HOLDEN didnt win 3 in a row before that, or
is that to far back for u blokes ?
apart from the last 3 years, ford have basically done nothing!
In a 2 horse race, you would think ford are gonna eventually win
something, just like bathurst !!!!!!!

[heater31]

=P~ Looks like all u ford fans just go by the last 3 years !
wedge says ford have won the last 3 champs !
what and HOLDEN didnt win 3 in a row before that, or
is that to far back for u blokes ?
apart from the last 3 years, ford have basically done nothing!
In a 2 horse race, you would think ford are gonna eventually win
something, just like bathurst !!!!!!!

refer to ians post mate, Ford has won more championships than Holden since 1960

The Australian touring Car championship started in 1960

ATCC

Ford, 20 wins
Holden, 13 wins

so LOOK AT THE STATS Roosters you fool, Ford has done something since 1960 and alot more than Holden i might add too.

[Ian]

=P~ Looks like all u ford fans just go by the last 3 years !
wedge says ford have won the last 3 champs !
what and HOLDEN didnt win 3 in a row before that, or
is that to far back for u blokes ?
apart from the last 3 years, ford have basically done nothing!
In a 2 horse race, you would think ford are gonna eventually win
something, just like bathurst !!!!!!!

As astute as you may be at following a footy side, you need to read the facts.

Put brain in to gear before letting loose on the key board.

PS, most of those Bathurst wins from Ford have been in era's that have had far more than 2 manufacturers, you must either be very young, or have a bloody short memory.

[mick]

God, a race with only two manufacturers Kelvinator vs Westinghouse........... battle of the whitegoods

[RoostersRuleTheWorld !]

Here we go again !
All u ford blokes are all the same !
all idiots !
Holden more sucsessful on & off the track since day dot,
and all you say is your mob is better !
Dont need people replying back to comments at 1.30
in the morning, pissed and being smart arses either !
doesnt really help, does it ! ( no -alls )
Next thing u will say ford are better than holden !
what a joke ! like how ya all come out of the closet
couple of years ago, where have you all been for the last god nows how many years !
Holden 1/3 so far this round, hopefully 3/3 and that will shut you guys up
for another week wont it !

[heater31]

may I REPEAT myself again

The Australian touring Car championship started in 1960

ATCC

Ford, 20 wins
Holden, 13 wins

how can you say that Holden have been sucessful on and off the track since day dot as you put it Rooster, LEARN TO READ YOU TOOL and get your head out of your a*se and accept the facts


as Wedgie said eariler that Holdens fall apart after a few years and you need to buy another one thus inflating the sales figures oh its so true.

I purchased a vehicle about two years ago and as a loan car to get my business with the car yard the salesman arranged a VT commodore with 130,000 kms on the clock for me to drive while the extras i ordered were installed. That week with the VT was THE WORST week in my drving career. What a shitbox of a car that was with things making weird noises, not working and falling off. My mates wanted to know when i was going to give the Taxi driver his car back!!

A Falcon with 130,000 clicks on the clock would only just be coming into its prime and still at least another 100,000 left in it.

[RoostersRuleTheWorld !]

Your the tool felcher !
How about being a holden family forever and by a new eb wagon
for work to win a car sales companies work an in the 1st year
it does a head !
Beat that one ! looser !
our family and parents have had 19 commodores between us
for change sake, and the only problem weve had is a snapped
fan belt on a new vb !
beat that smart arse, now whats ya come back this time
cockbreath !
and by the way ! HOLDEN win the round today to make
it even more sweeter in the V8s !!!!!
GO YOU HOLDEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and P.S. See if ford can keep pinching more of our drivers!
Dont think you have enough of ours yet tool!

[mick]

How can people get so upset about household appliances. These cars are the motoring equivalents of toasters, washing machines and fridges, not very exciting but very necessary. Both about the same in terms of quality, secondly, how people do get excited about the two horse "racing" (v8 fridge racing) is a mystery to me

[Wedgie]

How can people get so upset about household appliances. These cars are the motoring equivalents of toasters, washing machines and fridges, not very exciting but very necessary. Both about the same in terms of quality, secondly, how people do get excited about the two horse "racing" (v8 fridge racing) is a mystery to me

Dunno mate, but as you post more about the cars than anyone else you could tell us perhaps?

[Wedgie]

:o Your the tool felcher !
How about being a holden family forever and by a new eb wagon
for work to win a car sales companies work an in the 1st year
it does a head !
Beat that one ! looser !
our family and parents have had 19 commodores between us
for change sake, and the only problem weve had is a snapped
fan belt on a new vb !
beat that smart arse, now whats ya come back this time
cockbreath !
and by the way ! HOLDEN win the round today to make
it even more sweeter in the V8s !!!!!
GO YOU HOLDEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and P.S. See if ford can keep pinching more of our drivers!
Dont think you have enough of ours yet tool!

And there is a post of quality and fine punctuation, who said Holden drivers were feral?

[heater31]

Didn't the VY or VX can't remember, have some massive engine problems that were covered up as they had all done less than 10,000 kms and in 1 case 1500 kms



anyway back to the track Holden have had sucess in the past few years due to the golden dud (AU) being an embarassment for the blue oval but since the begining of time in 1960 Ford have had more sucess which you cant seem to understand.

[Ian]

you need to read the facts.

Put brain in to gear before letting loose on the key board.

:o Here we go again !
All u ford blokes are all the same !
all idiots !
Holden more sucsessful on & off the track since day dot,
and all you say is your mob is better !
Dont need people replying back to comments at 1.30
in the morning, pissed and being smart arses either !
doesnt really help, does it ! ( no -alls )
Next thing u will say ford are better than holden !
what a joke ! like how ya all come out of the closet
couple of years ago, where have you all been for the last god nows how many years !
Holden 1/3 so far this round, hopefully 3/3 and that will shut you guys up
for another week wont it !

I rest my case

[mick]

How can people get so upset about household appliances. These cars are the motoring equivalents of toasters, washing machines and fridges, not very exciting but very necessary. Both about the same in terms of quality, secondly, how people do get excited about the two horse "racing" (v8 fridge racing) is a mystery to me

Dunno mate, but as you post more about the cars than anyone else you could tell us perhaps?

I'm just amused that people can get so emotional It still amazes me people can think car racing that has just two makes is exciting. These cars apart from body shape bear no resemblance to products either company sell to the public. Bathurst was exciting when in was basically a production car race, there was a requirement to sell at least 250 cars to the public. Would you go to the footy every week if you could only see the Crows and Port play? I think not

[RoostersRuleTheWorld !]

And what form of racing are we suppose to follow then !
what F 1, i think not !
And at least these 2 brand makes are in it, not like all the others
who do nothing for racing mickey!
And yes, would love to watch the crows d poower every week !!!!!

[mick]

Ford and Holden invented the V8 racing, because they wouldn't all the time in true production racing I bet you think "Big Brother" is quality entertainment as well

[Ian]

Hey Mic, start a thread on house boats (or bath tubs) and we'll see how excited people get

[mick]

Seriously Ian, don't you think true production racing, open to any make sold in Australia, would be better than this red versus blue crap, much more interesting. I used to watch bathhurst in those days You are perfectly right no-one is going to be interested in boats it's more fun shit stirring here

[Wedgie]

Seriously Ian, don't you think true production racing, open to any make sold in Australia, would be better than this red versus blue crap, much more interesting. I used to watch bathhurst in those days You are perfectly right no-one is going to be interested in boats it's more fun shit stirring here

Mick, I can see where you're coming from and I know a couple of people who have a similar opinion but the fact is V8 Supercar racing is more popular now than its ever been in various formats so you can see why the powers that be would be keen to keep it as is. I did hear a while back that Toyota were looking to get into it too with a couple of other car makers.