Teachers 15.75% with 5 months of back pay.

[cripple]

€If you want your kids to have the worst teachers in the country because all the decent teachers move to the far better pay and conditions that were interstate till yesterday, then well be it. Like it or not, the majority of the knowledge you know possess as a 20,30,40,50 year old has in one or another been impacted by the work of a teacher somewhere along the line. Without quality teachers you are depriving the entire state of the same rights that better paid, better resourced schools have interstate.
With all negotiations there are people that go for to much and appear greedy so to just single out teachers is ignorant.

[BIG SEXY]

sounds like a teacher thing to say
they may be paid more interstate but cost of living is also higher interstate but of course that shouldnt come into any equation should it. the only important thing is techers interstate are paid more than here so lets pay ours more

[wycbloods]

sounds like a teacher thing to say
they may be paid more interstate but cost of living is also higher interstate but of course that shouldnt come into any equation should it. the only important thing is techers interstate are paid more than here so lets pay ours more

Or we could put our heads in the sand and watch the quality of education in our state diminish to a point where no one wants to work in the state. That would be a great outcome for our kids.

[BIG SEXY]

when did i say do that?

[cripple]

sounds like a teacher thing to say
they may be paid more interstate but cost of living is also higher interstate but of course that shouldnt come into any equation should it. the only important thing is techers interstate are paid more than here so lets pay ours more

So it costs $15,000 more to live in perth, hobart and brisabne. interesting.

If you want the best, you need to pay for the best, wether that be some apples or a new house. If you want to skimp on education or health or the police, expect to live in dumpy sick state with no control or intelligence controlling it.

[Mic]

"How about the children" is actually a fair comment.

As in the coverage of the issue I've seen in the past few days, neither the union or government has commented on the 'conditions' that were also part of the debate. What happened to those?

BS - the reason the union asks for a high ball figure is because the government will offer a low ball figure (as generally they know the public will support them in that because, again, teachers are easy to have a kick at).

The union did stuff up this time though in forcing this one to drag on.

The Union certainly has expressed their frustration regarding the 'conditions' issues to solved at a later date. I'm sure you won't read it about it in any tremendous publications like the Advertiser who only like to focus on the salary issues.

[southee]

Typical BS election stunt by Rann and co.

How about Mental Health (yes, I have seen it first hand!!), Carers, Intellectual disability workers.

Keep the Teachers happy = get the votes!!!

What a load of crap!!!

[Mic]

Typical BS election stunt by Rann and co.

How about Mental Health (yes, I have seen it first hand!!), Carers, Intellectual disability workers.

Keep the Teachers happy = get the votes!!!

What a load of crap!!!

I'm one teacher who won't be voting for him.

[zipzap]

Gee there are some muppets on this thread.
Just like clockwork, every time the T-word gets mentioned, bitter & jealous card-carrying members of the Big Bob fan club - who clearly had a bad experience in Biology (double meaning) - down tools and rise bunyip-like from the coal mine (Yorkshire, possibly) to grizzle about lazy teachers who snigger knowingly up their tweed sleeves while Joe the Plumber puts in 75 hours hard graft a week with no pay, no holidays and no 'spect.

Boo hoo, why should you get a payrise cos I didn't get one and my job's heaps harder, there's not enough hospitals...wah wah....
Take the chip off your shoulder, get off your bums and get organised and fight for it yourself if it's so important to you. Cripes alive, you sound like Port supporters!

FWIW the new arbitration ruling has introduced a Step 9 for teachers' salaries which is entirely PERFORMANCE BASED. ie to get any way near the top rate a teacher will have to undergo rigorous out of hours professional development and undergo stringent assessment of performance - which is as it should be and has always been the case for ASTs anyway.

[wycbloods]

Typical BS election stunt by Rann and co.

How about Mental Health (yes, I have seen it first hand!!), Carers, Intellectual disability workers.

Keep the Teachers happy = get the votes!!!

What a load of crap!!!

How has Rann kept the teachers happy? They got a decision(payrise) handed down from an independent party.

I am not arguing about the other areas you mentioned but this wasn't a case of Rann keeping them happy nor was it an election stunt this stand off for the teachers has been going on for a long time and he had no control over the timing of the commissions decision.

[Squawk]

FWIW the new arbitration ruling has introduced a Step 9 for teachers' salaries which is entirely PERFORMANCE BASED. ie to get any way near the top rate a teacher will have to undergo rigorous out of hours professional development and undergo stringent assessment of performance - which is as it should be and has always been the case for ASTs anyway.

http://www.aeusa.asn.au/multiattachments/7664/DocumentName/Decision_Summary.pdf

19 A new step 9 in the teacher salary scale will be introduced from the first pay period to commence on or after 1 October 2010 at the rate of $79,816 (inclusive of the 4% increase operative from that date).

24 The new step 9 will be available to teachers who have completed 207 duty days at step 8 as at 1 October 2010.

25 The new step 9 replaces the Advanced Skills Teacher 1 classification. Existing AST 1s will translate to step 9 from the first pay period to commence on or after 1 October 2010.

[Squawk]

One thing Ive never been able to get a grip of is what do teachers actually get paid?

BAND 1 TEACHERS at 1/10/07 (note - current rates are now +3.75% from 9/2/09 and +4% from 1/10/09)

Step 1 = $49605 (graduate entry)
2 52165
3 54724
4 57280
5 59845
6 62403
7 64961
8 68422
AST 1/KEY TEACHER (fall back) 70492
AST 2 73791
BAND 2 PROMOTIONAL CLASSIFICATIONS
COORDINATOR 1 70492
COORDINATOR 2 73507
COORDINATOR 3 76829
ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL 1 77703
ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL 2 82291
BAND 3 PRINCIPALS/ DEPUTY PRINCIPALS
PC01 78576
PC02 83741
PC03 88908
PC04 94073
PC05 99242
PC06 104408
PC07 109575
PC08 114740

[Squawk]

Salary adjustments for teachers since 1/7/05

From 1/7/2005 (2%)
From 1/10/2005 (3.5%) +$71 for step 8 only
From 1/4/2006 (1%)
From 1/10/2006 (3.5%) + $510 for step 8 only
From 1/10/2007 (4%) - based on (0.5% special authority + steps 1-7 et al)(0.5%+3.5% + $380 step 8 only)
From 9/2/09 3.75%
From 1/10/09 4%
From 1/10/10 4% (plus Teachers on the new step 9 classification will receive at least an extra $10,000 a year by the time the agreement expires)
From 1/10/11 4%

http://www.aeusa.asn.au/news/7666.html
AEU Vice President Anne Crawford says teachers are relieved and, on balance, pleased with the pay deal - and that while it's disappointing the entire matter was not resolved today, they will take heart from the fact that the IRC is giving it such thorough consideration.
"We were always confident of achieving a solid wage increase and that has proved to be the case, with 15.75% awarded. When that's compounded over the life of the agreement, combined with the creation of a further pay increment for experienced teachers, it means in real terms a 21.3% increase for the majority of the workforce, top level teachers.""Teachers on the new step 9 classification will receive at least an extra $10,000 a year by the time the agreement expires, a significant improvement on the government's offer."

[Squawk]

Given comparisons have been drawn, here are some examples of other current public sector salaries as at 1/10/09

SCHEDULE 1.10: LEGAL OFFICERS – (ie Prosecutors)
LEC1 step 1=$52,691 (graduate entry) step 2 =$57,511
LEC2 step 1=$63,654 step 2 =$68,678
LEC3 1=$75,383 2=$80,020 3=$83,352 (step 3, quickest time possible = 7 years).
LEC4 1 = $91,688 2 = $96,302, 3 = $100,025
LEC5 1=$108,360 2=$111,693 3=$115,000 4= $118,363
4 weeks annual leave. No overtime or flexitime. 1 step = 1 year of service. Progression between levels based on performance assessment.

Public Servant jobs in current notice of vacancies

ASO1 - $21,813 - $39,816 – eg clerical assistant
ASO2 - $42,336 - $45,823 – eg Senior Communications Officer, RAH Emergency Dept
ASO3 - $49,305 - $52,792 – eg Finance Officer, Pathology
ASO4 - $56,348 - $58,952 – eg Team Leader, Housing SA Contact Centre (ie call centre)
ASO5 - $62,842 - $70,395 – eg Auditor, DTEI
ASO6 - $72,801 - $77,266 – eg Registrar, Guardianship Board
ASO7 – $80,362 – $87,233 – eg Emergency Operations Centre Manager, SA Ambulance Services
ASO8 - $90,564 – $94,152 – eg Chief Finance Office, Environment Protection Agency
4 weeks annual leave. No overtime above level 6. TOIL/Flexitime with agreement up to ASO6.

Both of these groups received 2.5% a year from 1/10/09, 1/10/10 and 1/10/11.
The previous agreement paid 3.5% a year for 3 years, and the one before that paid 4% a year for about the same timeframe.

[good ol' red and white]

If the money and contact hours are that attractive, then why aren't more people studying to be teachers? 4 years, that's all it takes, and if you do paid work during odd hours (Arvos/nights) the chances are you'll be able to organise your time studying to fit around your paid work hours. Of those 4 years studying you only need to be studying at uni for 26 out of 52 weeks/year. It is a huge commitment but not insurmountable, and the rewards (not just financial) at the end of your degree are well worth the effort.

However if you have no wish to be a teacher and you lack all the facts surrounding the education profession then your observations are both ignorant and ill-founded. Many contracts don't go for the full year, so those teachers only get paid for the 40 weeks they work.

I get threatened with physical assault on a weekly basis and verbally abused on a daily basis. I am male and 160cm tall. Not dangerous? I'm telling you, you're dreamin'.

[Bum Crack]

For as long as my arse points to the ground, I am going to think teachers are on a very good deal and nothing is going to change those thoughts. As are the thoughts of the teachers, who are always going put their argument forward. End of the day, it's done, so all of us who think it sucks just need to get over it. I know for a fact, that if I had my time over again, I would have become a teacher. I for one could handle a bit of abuse from students and some after hours marking. Most of us in the private sector put up with abuse from adults in our jobs and we all do overtime. That's just what happens in the real world. It's not really a good argument to put forward in justifying a significant payrise.

[BIG SEXY]

BC i dont know how long youd stay a teacher after thumping your kids for the shit they give you! fair call with the rest, my sentiments exatly

any poster in here ever complained about the price of their car service? or how much a sparky charges to come around and work on their house? this is no different

[Dutchy]

Thanks for the figures squawk and good to hear ZZ that teachers will be on performance based contracts.

[Gingernuts]

Regardless of whether teachers deserve the pay rise or not, I've always thought that it helps negotiations a tad when the profession involved can literally hold society to ransom by taking industrial action.

I mean, my case for example, if Librarians decided to take industrial action society wouldn't exactly grind to a holt. Some old farts might get grumpy about missing out on their daily supply of large print books, and some tight arses my actually have to actually pay to read the paper or use the internet for a change, but I don't think we'd get very far in forcing some kind of pay deal!

I work in local government and EB negotiations have only ever discussed pay rises of 3-5% over 2-3 years, barely enough to cover inflation. That's why 15-20% sounds incredible. I'm on the fence on this issue as to whether they deserve it or not. My brother's a secondary teacher and I know he works hard. At the same time I also know that he does a hell of a lot of fishing over summer while I'm stuck riding a desk!

[gossipgirl]

It always amuses me that there is an assumption if a job pays more then you get better people. Its really a load of crap you just attract more greedy people.

I would support the teachers in striking if it would mean a better education for the kids but it is always about money money money.

The problem with the education system is that there are far too many bureaucrats and not enough teachers, teaching in schools.

of course the union receives more money if their members are paid more