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The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:52 pm
by Sojourner
Greetings All,

As you might recall from my previous Avatar I am a member of the Freemasons in S.A. I belong to the Mostyn lodge no 18 which meets at Illingworth Hall at Goodwood just near the Tram stop by Goodwood rd. I have been a member for a little over four years after my Brother in Law asked me if I would like to join.

No doubt you probably drive past one of the various halls quite often, or maybe your own Grandfather was a member - after WW2, one in every six males in S.A on average was a member.

My favourite episode of the Simpsons is the "StoneCutters" episode :D although I do wonder if that is really how people see the Freemasons! So what I am interested to know is what you think that the Freemasons are actually really all about?

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:03 pm
by FlyingHigh
Sojourner, I have no idea. See the name often, but have never known what they are about. Can you enlighten us?

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:04 pm
by Dirko
Dude I have no idea... :oops:
I was in the Scouting movement right up to and including Rovers and that was enough of a cult :wink:
I should go onto Wikki and check it out perhaps...

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:12 pm
by JAS
I know, I know heehee

You stand around in circles with one trouser leg rolled up.
You wear an apron with a flap at the front.
You do weird initiation rituals on each other.
You worship Prince Philip...but not as much as the people of Vanuatu :wink:
You are behind every conspiracy theory ever.

Oh yeh and i think you do a bit of charity work too :lol: :wink: :roll:

Regards
JAS

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:14 pm
by bayman
also i have no idea but isn't there a secret handshake or is that myth ? & secrecy in telling anyone what it is about ?

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:14 pm
by FlyingHigh
There's been a lot of sheep go missing in this part of the country over the last few months......

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:06 am
by robber
is it like the frat in animal house.

Thankyou Sir may i have another.

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:41 am
by JAS
Admit it...you just knew I'd find one and post a link didn't you :wink: :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctTp-GOhSdU

Sorry Sojourner...couldn't resist.

OMG you're not the Master Elect of Nine are you cos that would be so perfect for the number 9 thread [-o<

Regards
JAS

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 5:46 am
by Pseudo
SJABC wrote:I was in the Scouting movement right up to and including Rovers and that was enough of a cult :wink:


I did the Scouts thing from cubs up to venturers. Believe me, in the cult stakes the scouts were nothing compared to Antioch (catholic youth). Years later and I'm still suppressing the memories of that short waste of my life...

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:17 am
by Dirko
What troop Psuedo ? 1st Panorama Sea Scouts for me...
What are Sea Scouts doing in Panorama F/K, but it was good fun !!

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:27 am
by zipzap
Who controls the British Crown?
Who keeps the Metric System down?
We do! We do!
Who leaves Atlantis off the maps?
Who keeps the Martians under wraps?
We do! We do!

Who holds back the electric car?
Who makes Steve Gutenberg a star?
We do! We do!

Who robs cave fish of their sight?
Who rigs every Oscar night?
We do! We do!

All I know is a bunch of them turned up mysteriously at my grandpa's funeral, all lined up in single file and silently paid their respects at the coffin with a secret hand signal and filed out again. Unusual behaviour to say the least. :shock:


Would be great Sojourner if you could enlighten us, but I don't suppose you're about to?

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:02 am
by overloaded
It has something to do with goats, lots of vaseline and middle aged men who are not getting any at home

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:07 am
by smac
Secrecy is their worst enemy isn't it?

Tell everyone what you do and the goat stories disappear.

I reckon the pub with mates is more my scene, but they must have fun - good luck to you sojourner. :D

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 10:28 am
by silicone skyline
I have hurt mysterious rumours about the freemason's practices.
Quite a secret society, although they do alot of charity work around our town.
Heard about secret handshakes, the goats, strange ritualistic doors in their halls etc.
I had a mate do the roof of the Masonic lodge in our town, said they had some wierd furniture setup inside.
I just don't like those older men's societies i really don't.
Buffalos, Freemasons, Star Chapter 179 etc.
Just way more sinister than your average Lions or Rotary group.

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:21 am
by Dissident
I thought they were all about charity work, and about "good family values" of a religious note?

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:46 am
by zipzap
Dissident wrote:I thought they were all about charity work, and about "good family values" of a religious note?


..whilst lining their own pockets. From the little I know from my grandpa's dealings it was definitely business first, charity second. Bit like the way the bikies make up for their evil doings with a Santa run every year, gawd bless em. ;)

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:46 am
by Sojourner
O.k let me first clear up one common misconception! I can assure you that there are absolutley no Goats in Freemasonry! :D Although I am aware that for a laugh one of the country lodges got a goat put into their yard to keep the grass down which caused some interesting talk around the local townspeople! 8)

My best explanation of what is Freemasonry is the following!

Freemasonry evolved out of the Scottish and English Trade Guilds that existed in the 15th - 16th centuries. In that time there were no police forces and it was not safe to travel alone between towns. Yet at the same time Stone Masons and other Tradesman had to travel to different job sites to work. Resultantly they formed themselves into Trade Guilds where there members recognised each other by a secret word and a handshake. To be admitted to the site you had to have the word and the handshake, which prevented gangs of thugs entering the site and stealing or attacking people.

Yet as time evolved it became safe to travel from place to place, so the Trade Guilds either died out or became friendly societys that did things like banking and benevolant work. The IOOF credit union is one example - Independant Order of Odd Fellows - there lodge building is on the Parade not far from Coopers stadium.

The Freemasons chose to admit members of any proffession so various lawyers, Bankers etc etc joined the society. Its purpose became as a Friendship type society.

What happened globally with Freemasonry was that after the World Wars the membership grew rapidly. Freemasonry was seen as a good way to keep all the former members of a unit together in friendship after the war. Freemasonry is still quite popular amongst ex service people for the same reason.

A common misconception about Freemasonry is that it is somehow Religious. I belong to the Salvation Army and I can assure you that Freemasonry is not religious. You do have to take an oath when you join and you do have to state that you believe in a supreme being although you dont have to describe what that is to you. Freemasons lodges in S.A traditioanlly have their candidates take their oaths on the Bible, yet that is your choice, if you want you can take your oath on the Koran, the Book of Mormon or whatever works for you.

Freemasonry today is largely a friedship society and Fraternity is a good description. Their is a Scounting lodge called Lodge Baden Powell - meets also at Goodwood, which a number of people join after leaving Scouting or Rovers.

Freemasonry has three degrees, when you join you are an "Entered Apprentice", you are passed to the second degree and you become a "Fellow Craft Freemason". The third degree you become a "Master Mason". The ritual is based on the building of King Solomons Temple and the hierachial structure amongst the tradespeople that did the work and the work of the original foreman on the site.

Freemasonry is a great organisation to belong to, we certainley take part in Charity work, we are working on a project at present to raise awareness and get funding towards research on Prostrate Cancer as well as several other causes. Yet Charity work is not our focus as such and maybe that is where we are a little different to groups like Lions for example. My lodge Mostyn has 50 odd members and it is a lodge where many people have found great friendships with one another. I have found that I have made a wide circle of friends from people of all walks of life and varying ages.

If there is something that you would like to ask, feel welcome to go right ahead and ask and I will do my best to give you a direct answer! You also dont have to wait to be asked if you would like to be a member, if you are interested, drop me a PM and I can easilly put you into the loop. Alternitivley we have a pretty comprehensive website thanks largely to our webmaster who has done a great job of setting it all up which you may well find helpful!

http://www.freemasonrysaust.org.au/index.html

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:49 am
by Dissident
zipzap wrote:
Dissident wrote:I thought they were all about charity work, and about "good family values" of a religious note?


..whilst lining their own pockets. From the little I know from my grandpa's dealings it was definitely business first, charity second. Bit like the way the bikies make up for their evil doings with a Santa run every year, gawd bless em. ;)


So it's a church then ?

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:58 am
by silicone skyline
Lol, wouldn't say it's a church.
But you must have a belief in a superior being i believe.
That's pretty much it.
They look after number one first, such as the widows of freemasons etc before the whole community, although they do assist with community fundraisers, they're not what you would call charity based.
Can you tell us Sojourner, what's it like inside a masonic hall, what is the layout of the furniture and the chairs etc.

Re: The Masonic Lodge - Freemasonry

PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:43 pm
by Westsider
Dissident, The NPL is my freemason's lodge. HAHA.

I'm all in.