Teachers pay dispute

[Dutchy]

Do the teachers lose a days pay for todays strike?

[Booney]

Do the teachers lose a days pay for todays strike?

It is only a half day strike,they expect us to have our children at school after 12:15.

" Hey,Junior Boons,finished your lunch? right,off to school".....yeah,right.

[Dutchy]

Do the teachers lose a days pay for todays strike?

It is only a half day strike,they expect us to have our children at school after 12:15.

" Hey,Junior Boons,finished your lunch? right,off to school".....yeah,right.

Id be sending them to give them the sh1ts

what a joke, why not have the whole day off? shows they aint real serious "lets go on strike, on hang on we lose pay, lets make it a half day"

glad my son isnt in that system...

[Booney]

Do the teachers lose a days pay for todays strike?

It is only a half day strike,they expect us to have our children at school after 12:15.

" Hey,Junior Boons,finished your lunch? right,off to school".....yeah,right.

Id be sending them to give them the sh1ts
what a joke, why not have the whole day off? shows they aint real serious "lets go on strike, on hang on we lose pay, lets make it a half day"

glad my son isnt in that system...

My kids,or the teachers?

[A Mum]

Do the teachers lose a days pay for todays strike?

It is only a half day strike,they expect us to have our children at school after 12:15.

" Hey,Junior Boons,finished your lunch? right,off to school".....yeah,right.

Id be sending them to give them the sh1ts

what a joke, why not have the whole day off? shows they aint real serious "lets go on strike, on hang on we lose pay, lets make it a half day"

glad my son isnt in that system...

It would actually be very intersting to find out just how many kids do go to school this afternoon.

Same with Booney... mine are home this afternoon...
Otherwise it would have been.

12-15pm arrive at school
12-40pm lunch time
1-15 back from lunch
2 lessons between lunch and home time.

I doubt they'd do any work given that half the class would be missing and knowing kids the way they are would all be 'hyped' up anyway
so no use going I don't think.

However...I don't want to open a can of worms
but I do believe that teachers are not paid enough, so if they have to strike, they have to strike.

[Dutchy]

what they need is a good negotiater it sounds like....

LOL @ Booney....

[RustyCage]

I had two students turn up today, total of 10 over 4 year 6/7 classes. We werent expecting people to show up, we wouldnt have!!! Seriously though, you dont have to spend much time in a school to realise how the constant removal of funding from the public system has made our education system a joke. Its actually funny how many parents whinge when we try to do something about it. A few days pain for a hell of a lot of long term gain. And despite what the idiots in the media say, the issue isnt about how much we earn, sure, that is a big problem in our education system, but it is the removal of funding next year and the increase in class sizes it causes, as well as the reduction of SSO hours.

[mighty_tiger_79]

there was a half day school bout 15 years ago - the same day there was a really bad sand storm which covered the state. I lived up the road and had double PE so i went, but there wasnt too many other people around.

half days are better if you start in the morning and finish at lunch

[Pag]

The State Government not giving hard-working teachers what they deserve.

And hearts on fire, I'm recently out of school and as I'm studying to be a teacher, it's not the teachers that get to choose what you need to learn. The SACE Board has a pretty clear format of what needs to be covered, and teachers have to follow it, or when students hit November and have a three-hour exam on something, they'd wanna have learnt what they should've.

How the lessons are structured is what teachers in Year 12 can control, the content needed to be taught is made very clear to them.

[Pseudo]

The State Government not giving hard-working teachers what they deserve.

slack and/or incompetent teachers demanding more than they deserve.

[silicone skyline]

The State Government not giving hard-working teachers what they deserve.

slack and/or incompetent teachers demanding more than they deserve.

Uh-Oh

[smac]

The State Government not giving hard-working teachers what they deserve.

slack and/or incompetent teachers demanding more than they deserve.

No one being able to (or prepared to) pinpoint the difference between the slack/incompetent teachers and the hard working ones. Come up with a good model for determining that and you'll get my support for a model that gives everyone everything they deserve.

[Pseudo]

The State Government not giving hard-working teachers what they deserve.

slack and/or incompetent teachers demanding more than they deserve.

No one being able to (or prepared to) pinpoint the difference between the slack/incompetent teachers and the hard working ones. Come up with a good model for determining that and you'll get my support for a model that gives everyone everything they deserve.

I thought that might get a response or two

How about those teachers who are prepared to undergo retraining to teach areas of need (maths, science) get rewarded with a few extra clams in their bucket, while those teachers who demand 21% for singing songs to six year olds get nothing?

[silicone skyline]

The State Government not giving hard-working teachers what they deserve.

slack and/or incompetent teachers demanding more than they deserve.

No one being able to (or prepared to) pinpoint the difference between the slack/incompetent teachers and the hard working ones. Come up with a good model for determining that and you'll get my support for a model that gives everyone everything they deserve.

I thought that might get a response or two

How about those teachers who are prepared to undergo retraining to teach areas of need (maths, science) get rewarded with a few extra clams in their bucket, while those teachers who demand 21% for singing songs to six year olds get nothing?

KABLAMO. Makes sense.

[The Big Shrek]

It's impossible to work out which are the good teachers and which aren't. Come up with any method and it will be easy to poke massive holes in it.

[Q.]

You also want to attract good teachers. Offer an attractive salary so that people with life and career experience leave their field of expertise to educate the youth.

[am Bays]

It's impossible to work out which are the good teachers and which aren't. Come up with any method and it will be easy to poke massive holes in it.

The same as other service industries regular (annual) performance development.

[The Big Shrek]

It's impossible to work out which are the good teachers and which aren't. Come up with any method and it will be easy to poke massive holes in it.

The same as other service industries regular (annual) performance development.

What? Are you saying they should attend a development course one a year?

[am Bays]

It's impossible to work out which are the good teachers and which aren't. Come up with any method and it will be easy to poke massive holes in it.

The same as other service industries regular (annual) performance development.

What? Are you saying they should attend a development course one a year?

No. Perforamce development and review session as others in a like service delivery profession (nurses, development officers etc) do

Annual sit down perforamce developement with your line manager agaisnt agreed performace standards. And don't give me the bullsh!t about teaching being subjective and that KPIs are are too regimented for our profession.

And no, one poor performace review isn't the mode by which a teacher is denied a pay rise or other punitive measures. It is consistent poor performance following agreed interventions (training, development and mentoring) to improve performace and the individual fails to improve and that is evaluated by several individuals (don't want a vindictiv manager making decisions).

All professionals need to have their performace evaulated why should teachers be any different especially when others at teh same levels in the public service (AS0 3-4s/P1s 0 (entry level teachers) to ASO 5-7s/P2-3s (senior teachers)) have to under go it.

[Pag]

There will always be teachers who perhaps don't put in the effort or dedication that they should, but nme me a profession where this isn't the case. And from my experience in schools, it really is a small minority that would fall into this category.

Insterad of striking, I wouldn't mind seeing AEU members only doing the 38 hours a week that full-time work entails. I'd bet the Government would love seeing blank report cards at the end of the year, horribly planned and run lessons, and no tests or assignments marked. Could probably scrap lunch and recess duty under that scheme as well.

I can see people's views with the performance evaluations, but developing one of these would be an almost impossible task. 'Performance pay' was the supidest idea I've ever heard of, if it ever comes in, I think you'd find almost all northern suburbs public schools would shut down due to nobody wanting to teach there. How can you decide a teacher's pay on results, when it has nothing to do with the teacher whether or not students have internet or computer access at home, or how much parent's care about their child's academic improvement?