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Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:44 am
by whatcha got there?
Tim Tams banned by Sydney Lord Mayor Clover Moore at council events

The Daily Telegraph


SYDNEY Lord Mayor Clover Moore has banned Tim Tams from council events for fear they're partially produced through cruel child labour on Africa's Ivory Coast.

In a move to create "sustainable, healthy and cruelty-free catering" at City of Sydney meetings and events, staff have stopped providing chocolate biscuits along with meals containing eggs, bottled water, fat-rich cakes, dairy deserts and "bad" fish species.

One of the first attempts at the new politically correct meals policy was at the council's Investing in Sydney's Future business forum on February 25.

On the menu were vegetables (locally grown), NSW wines (organic) and "a good fish species choice" (blue-eye trevalla).

Liberal councillor Shayne Mallard, who was at a briefing on the guidelines, said the first hint of the new policy was when Tim Tams disappeared from meetings.

"We are being dictated to by a radical green agenda telling us what fish we can eat, what water we drink and banning eggs or Tim Tams instead of focusing on issues like saving jobs," Mr Mallard said.


Anne Smith
"Council staff told me Tim Tams were banned because 80 per cent of world cocoa production comes from the Ivory Coast, where there are allegations of child labour."

An Arnott's spokeswoman said only a very limited supply of chocolate was from the Ivory Coast.

"But this supplier is a member of the International Cocoa Initiative, which is dedicated to ensuring no child is exploited in the growing of cocoa and to ending child and forced labour," she said.

Requests for comment from Ms Moore were declined yesterday but a spokeswoman said: "No particular brand of food or drink has been identified as being off the menu."

In a memo obtained by The Daily Telegraph, the council's environmental projects manager Kirsten Woodward said the council would serve only cruelty-free and healthy options.

"Vegan, vegetarian and lactose intolerant options have also been developed for future events," Ms Woodward's memo said.


are they for real? seriously. I dont eat Tim Tams and think "gee i wonder if a child was exploited in the making of this awesome snack" not to be cruel, but who would?

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:48 am
by HH3
wankers

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 10:51 am
by The Ash Man
FFS there are way too many do-gooders in society
He obviously didnt do too much research before making this stupid decision

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:12 am
by Pseudo
The Ash Man wrote:FFS there are way too many do-gooders in society
He obviously didnt do too much research before making this stupid decision


She, actually. It figures... ;)

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:17 am
by Q.
It's awareness. Awareness of your social and ecological footprints. Think about your childhood - would you have rather been stitching brand name clothes for twelve hours a day and all for a dollar, just so some first world prat can keep up with the latest fashion?

And then we'll complain when more and more of these companies shift their manufacturing divisions to the third world. The idea is not to boycott these companies, but rather push for unionised working conditions such that there cannot be exploitation.


HOWEVER,

Regarding the specific matter of Ivory Coast cocoa (which does not have operate under the same dynamic as offshore clothing manufacturers), there is a heap of unsubstantiated Western hype pushed by the 'noble' Western reporter. The facts on the ground are that the farms are mostly family operated and yes, the children of those families don't have a say on whether they work on these farms. It is not slave labour though. Yes, it is hard work, and yes, the children miss out on a little bit of school, but the work that they do on their family farms helps pay for the school fees!!! A boycott of Ivory Coast cocoa would be catastrophic for the country's economy and for the livelihoods of these families - which would ultimately force children to be sold into actual slave labour!

The problem is not necessarily with the chocolate manufacturers, but with the government of the Ivory Coast who imposes heavy levies and taxes on the farmers, almost as much as what they get from the chocolate manufacturers. It is not the chocolate manufacturers (who are still essentially bound by world prices) living off the people, but the all too common corrupt Government.



I find it funny that they would boycott Ivory Coast chocolate, but be happy to wear clothes that are actually made under slave labour conditions :?

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:28 am
by whatcha got there?
Quichey wrote:It's awareness. Awareness of your social and ecological footprints. Think about your childhood - would you have rather been stitching brand name clothes for twelve hours a day and all for a dollar, just so some first world prat can keep up with the latest fashion?

And then we'll complain when more and more of these companies shift their manufacturing divisions to the third world. The idea is not to boycott these companies, but rather push for unionised working conditions such that there cannot be exploitation.


HOWEVER,

Regarding the specific matter of Ivory Coast cocoa (which does not have operate under the same dynamic as offshore clothing manufacturers), there is a heap of unsubstantiated Western hype pushed by the 'noble' Western reporter. The facts on the ground are that the farms are mostly family operated and yes, the children of those families don't have a say on whether they work on these farms. It is not slave labour though. Yes, it is hard work, and yes, the children miss out on a little bit of school, but the work that they do on their family farms helps pay for the school fees!!! A boycott of Ivory Coast cocoa would be catastrophic for the country's economy and for the livelihoods of these families - which would ultimately force children to be sold into actual slave labour!

The problem is not necessarily with the chocolate manufacturers, but with the government of the Ivory Coast who imposes heavy levies and taxes on the farmers, almost as much as what they get from the chocolate manufacturers. It is not the chocolate manufacturers (who are still essentially bound by world prices) living off the people, but the all too common corrupt Government.



I find it funny that they would boycott Ivory Coast chocolate, but be happy to wear clothes that are actually made under slave labour conditions :?


well said :)

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 11:44 am
by smac
More for me.

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:53 pm
by Dirko
smac wrote:More for me.


and me too !

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 12:58 pm
by whatcha got there?
makes you wonder though, that soon they will all have to be nude, as to not wear clothing coming from factories that pay below the minimum wage and exploit their workers, cant wear deodorant as it is ruining the ozone layer, wont be able to use pens and have to write with charcoal as pens cant be recycled, and *gasp* only have one ply toilet paper!


i'm all for fair trade etc, but come on.

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:05 pm
by Dogwatcher
I'm sure you really doooo want to be nude WGT....

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:28 pm
by Q.
whatcha got there? wrote:makes you wonder though, that soon they will all have to be nude, as to not wear clothing coming from factories that pay below the minimum wage and exploit their workers, cant wear deodorant as it is ruining the ozone layer, wont be able to use pens and have to write with charcoal as pens cant be recycled, and *gasp* only have one ply toilet paper!


Well, if you wanna be a hippy...

I'm not saying there are absolutes, just that everything we do or don't do has consequences for others (and I'm sure there's a deep tangent in there about our unhealthy reliance on our current capitalist model). This is no different to us being careful about our water usage.

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:31 pm
by amber_fluid
Quichey wrote:
whatcha got there? wrote:makes you wonder though, that soon they will all have to be nude, as to not wear clothing coming from factories that pay below the minimum wage and exploit their workers, cant wear deodorant as it is ruining the ozone layer, wont be able to use pens and have to write with charcoal as pens cant be recycled, and *gasp* only have one ply toilet paper!


Well, if you wanna be a hippy...

I'm not saying there are absolutes, just that everything we do or don't do has consequences for others (and I'm sure there's a deep tangent in there about our unhealthy reliance on our current capitalist model). This is no different to us being careful about our water usage.


Are we careful about water usage coz we want to be or have to be?? ;)

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 1:37 pm
by Q.
Which brings us to the age old adage, "What we want and what we need are two different things".

But to answer your question, noone gives a **** until they are forced to give a ****.

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:03 pm
by whatcha got there?
Dogwatcher wrote:I'm sure you really doooo want to be nude WGT....


would beat the somewhat uncomfortable work uniform, but sadly no. i'm not a closet nudist, or any type of nudist for that matter.

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:17 pm
by HH3
whatcha got there? wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:I'm sure you really doooo want to be nude WGT....


would beat the somewhat uncomfortable work uniform, but sadly no. i'm not a closet nudist, or any type of nudist for that matter.


Now you've just ruined the mental image i had of you...thanks a lot haha ;) :D

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 2:26 pm
by whatcha got there?
hackham_hawk_3 wrote:
whatcha got there? wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:I'm sure you really doooo want to be nude WGT....


would beat the somewhat uncomfortable work uniform, but sadly no. i'm not a closet nudist, or any type of nudist for that matter.


Now you've just ruined the mental image i had of you...thanks a lot haha ;) :D


men, honestly.... :roll: lol

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:42 pm
by Psyber
A better reason to ban them would be because of the tartrazine in them - still there last time I looked at a packet.
There is support for the allergy reports scattered in the medical literature, though I can't recall specifics as I haven't read it recently.
Asthma attacks, and hyperactivity in children, have been reported in that literature.
I gave up Tim Tams because of my own reactions to them in the late 1980s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartrazine

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:08 pm
by whatcha got there?
Psyber wrote:A better reason to ban them would be because of the tartrazine in them - still there last time I looked at a packet.
There is support for the allergy reports scattered in the medical literature, though I can't recall specifics as I haven't read it recently.
Asthma attacks, and hyperactivity in children, have been reported in that literature.
I gave up Tim Tams because of my own reactions to them in the late 1980s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tartrazine


psyber, dont bloody ruin it for me! :(

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:58 pm
by JAS
FC.....please don't let any of this convert you to the green side and put you off sending the 'red cross' parcel [-o< ...I'm still happy to eat Tim Tams :D ;) ;)

Regards
JAS

Re: Banned Tim Tams?

PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:31 pm
by Bully
banned Tim Tams?? how dare they. best biscuit going around. On the topic of biscuits... has anyone purchased the biscuits from Subway. When the worker behind the counter asks if you want any, i bet they say COOKIES. FFS we arent in America. They are called BISCUITS here!!!