Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby woodublieve12 » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:43 am

considering indonesia also went against their constitution, says a fair bit about their government.

*once a prisoner has spent 10 years in prison and has shown genuine signs of rehabilitation they can NOT execute.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Wedgie » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:54 am

Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.

Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby shoe boy » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:26 am

The front page of the Tiser "blood on his hands"?? I do not support the death penalty but as Widodo made comment "our rule of law"

Last year Indonesia executed 11 with the USA executed 250 does this mean the US president has blood on his hands.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:34 am

Wedgie wrote:
Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.

Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.


Reportedly came to some understanding just minutes before he faced the firing squad.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:37 am

RustyCage wrote:
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Gozu wrote:The AFP should hang their heads in shame over this.



Oh, I didn't realise the AFP forced them to strap drugs to their bodies.


Exactly, how dare the AFP catch some criminals


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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:38 am

Booney wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.

Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.


Reportedly came to some understanding just minutes before he faced the firing squad.


Seems fair, then.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:38 am

Footy Chick wrote:
Gozu wrote:The AFP should hang their heads in shame over this.

Oh, I didn't realise the AFP forced them to strap drugs to their bodies.


The AFP knew the smuggling operation was on, they had the opportunity to stop the operation on Australian soil, they then decided to let things unfold and alert the Indonesian authorities of the operation.....fully aware of what could happen to the people if caught and convicted.

In essence, the AFP are employed to act in the best interest of all Australians, to protect Australians. Did they act in the best interests of these people?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Booney » Thu Apr 30, 2015 9:39 am

Dogwatcher wrote:
Booney wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.
Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from
mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.

Reportedly came to some understanding just minutes before he faced the firing squad.

Seems fair, then.


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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:26 am

Wedgie wrote:
Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.

Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.

Barlow and Chambers say...................nothing.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Footy Chick » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:33 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.

Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.

Barlow and Chambers say...................nothing.


Wasn't that Thailand?

*Insert proof of my terrible world geography here* Thailand isn't Indonesia.

I hope.....
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:39 am

Footy Chick wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
Johno6 wrote:im assuming this is the first time anyone has ever been executed in Indonesia?

Anyone from Australia, correct.

Brazillians are reacting the same as Australians over the death of Rodrigo Gularte who's story could be even more tragic than most suffering from mental illnesses and according to some not even knowing what was going on.

Barlow and Chambers say...................nothing.


Wasn't that Thailand?

*Insert proof of my terrible world geography here* Thailand isn't Indonesia.

I hope.....


Malaysia, my geography failed.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby am Bays » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:41 am

This thread is still going????
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:44 am

am Bays wrote:This thread is still going????

No.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Footy Chick » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:45 am

yeah but so is the no afl in the sanfl thread - 2 years later.

C'mon Are you really that surprised? :roll:
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Pseudo » Thu Apr 30, 2015 10:58 am

am Bays wrote:This thread is still going????

Yes, and it bothers me that nobody has tackled the real issues yet.

For instance, reports claim that the cuisine du jour for the last meal was KFC.

I presume that they could each indulge in an entire bucketful, since their arteries would not have time to clog before the lead poisoning took hold. Nevertheless one question remains: did they go with original recipe, or did the gravity of the situation command hot & spicy?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Footy Chick » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:00 am

I know one thing, I'd be guessing that the "C" in KFC doesn't stand for chicken.. and should probably be called KFD
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:01 am

Footy Chick wrote:I know one thing, I'd be guessing that the "C" in KFC doesn't stand for chicken.. and should probably be called KFD

Dove?
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Dutchy » Thu Apr 30, 2015 11:27 am

Booney wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
Gozu wrote:The AFP should hang their heads in shame over this.

Oh, I didn't realise the AFP forced them to strap drugs to their bodies.


The AFP knew the smuggling operation was on, they had the opportunity to stop the operation on Australian soil, they then decided to let things unfold and alert the Indonesian authorities of the operation.....fully aware of what could happen to the people if caught and convicted.

In essence, the AFP are employed to act in the best interest of all Australians, to protect Australians. Did they act in the best interests of these people?


What sentence would they have rec'd in Australia? They would be back on the streets now wouldn't they? So im thinking they did act in the best interests of Australia as a whole.

I would have thought that if the AFP are aware of a criminal act occurring in another country they have a responsibility to inform that country, we would want the same in reverse.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Q. » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:03 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Booney wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
Gozu wrote:The AFP should hang their heads in shame over this.

Oh, I didn't realise the AFP forced them to strap drugs to their bodies.


The AFP knew the smuggling operation was on, they had the opportunity to stop the operation on Australian soil, they then decided to let things unfold and alert the Indonesian authorities of the operation.....fully aware of what could happen to the people if caught and convicted.

In essence, the AFP are employed to act in the best interest of all Australians, to protect Australians. Did they act in the best interests of these people?


What sentence would they have rec'd in Australia? They would be back on the streets now wouldn't they? So im thinking they did act in the best interests of Australia as a whole.

I would have thought that if the AFP are aware of a criminal act occurring in another country they have a responsibility to inform that country, we would want the same in reverse.

You're right, they probably would have served out a 10 year sentence, one which could be considered appropriate. And given that our prisons are bastions of rehabilitation, they'd have the opportunity to become positively contributing citizens.

That's generally the model of civilised nations.
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Re: Bali Nine - is the death penalty justice?

Postby Wedgie » Thu Apr 30, 2015 12:06 pm

No Australian has ever been executes in Thailand, the person who grants pardons there isn't as politically motivated as the Indonesian President.
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