Psyber wrote:This file helps with perspective.
CV deaths in UK.png
It's a great file, thanks for posting.
As a stats nerd, I love it.
Now, perspective as you mention, lets apply a bit more.
Lets look at the biggest number on the page, 161 people over the age of 80 out of every 100,000 unvaccinated people testing positive for covid are dying within 60 days. Holy sh!t, that's alarming.
Well for some perspective, what is the 'normal' death rate in this age group?
I don't have the UK stats in front of me, but starting in Australia, in 2020, there were 1.05M people aged 80 or more.
Death stats, bugger, the ones I have are from 2019, but that's close enough. Deaths in people aged 80 or more in Australia in 2019, 95,000.
Ok, so for every 1.05M people aged over 80, 95k die each year.
Getting it to per 100,000 like the covid file, you get 9000 deaths, per year, give or take.
Hang on, the covid file was for 60 days, not a full year, so we need to divide our figure by 6 to know how many people aged 80+ are dying in a 60 day period - 1500.
So, granted there will be slight variations for comparing UK covid rates to Australian deaths generally, as a result of our different heath care systems, lifestyles, etc.
It also probably isn't entirely accurate to simply divide a years deaths by 6 to get the 2-monthly death rate, as they would have peaks and troughs during extreme weather.
And there would be an error factor of 1 or 2 % by taking the 2019 deaths and comparing to the 2020 population figures.
But just work with me for a second.
Out of 100,000 people aged 80+, with or without covid, vaccinated or unvaccinated, 1500 die every 60 days.
Yet when we now look at purely the covid positive, unvaccinated, per 100,000 people, only 161 die in the same 60 day period?
So based on that, you are
9.3 times more likely to
survive the next 60 days if you remain
unvaccinated and manage to
catch covid, than if you were just a general member of the 80+ population.
Perspective indeed.
NB: For what its worth I don't actually think covid is some secret potion to enable you to live forever. I think the difference in the stats stated above is that people who are nearing death already (ie: within the last 60 days of their lives) are leading relatively inactive lives. They are cooped up in hospitals or other health care facilities already. They aren't as readily exposed to covid vs the generally healthy remanning members of the 80+ brigade. Therefore it isn't covid thats reducing the death rate, its the fact that they are relatively healthier than the subset of people we are comparing them to.
This is true perspective being applied to the stats.
Just like last week when I asked if the unvaccinated portion in Australia were the ones with underlying health issues and that's why unvaxxed were overrespresented in the ICU stats.
The raw data being pushed by health officials, politicians and vaccine companies need to be taken with a grain of salt.
that's what I was saying 
