Things that give you the sh1ts

[Spargo]

Teachers and farmers are the only two types of workers that continually try and tell everyone else how hard their job is, like if they say it enough times it must come true

Incredibly ignorant comment.

[bennymacca]

Teachers and farmers are the only two types of workers that continually try and tell everyone else how hard their job is, like if they say it enough times it must come true

Incredibly ignorant comment.

I lived in a farming town and 5 of my immediate family are teachers, and I used to work in the public service

I’m not for a second saying they don’t earn their money but I’ve met more self righteous teachers than any other profession

So thanks for your input

[LMA]

Im tipping Pag works alot harder than most of us who post daily on here.

**** if I’d ever be a teacher in this day and age.............

Hats off to the workers who provide services for the community. I have no qualms with Nurses, Teachers, Police Officers, Bus Drivers, Child Care workers, etc striving for more pay or better and safer conditions.

[Dutchy]

There are poor and lazy teachers out there, as there are in every profession/trade, but for the majority, six is a more realistic number.

This bit frustrates me, and Im sure it frustrates the good teachers, why are they not made accountable?

If you don't mind me asking Pag, do you have regular performance discussions with the principal? Do they grade each teacher?

[Spargo]

Teachers and farmers are the only two types of workers that continually try and tell everyone else how hard their job is, like if they say it enough times it must come true

Incredibly ignorant comment.

I lived in a farming town and 5 of my immediate family are teachers, and I used to work in the public service

I’m not for a second saying they don’t earn their money but I’ve met more self righteous teachers than any other profession

So thanks for your input

Yeah nah
Still ignorant.

[bennymacca]

There are poor and lazy teachers out there, as there are in every profession/trade, but for the majority, six is a more realistic number.

This bit frustrates me, and Im sure it frustrates the good teachers, why are they not made accountable?

If you don't mind me asking Pag, do you have regular performance discussions with the principal? Do they grade each teacher?

This is the big issue with both teaching and public service

The lack of performance management is insane

For teachers they rarely actually perform their duty in the presence of their peers. How many other careers are there like that? It would be incredibly hard to detect poor performance

For public servants it’s the bureaucracy associated with performance management

[Pag]

There are poor and lazy teachers out there, as there are in every profession/trade, but for the majority, six is a more realistic number.

This bit frustrates me, and Im sure it frustrates the good teachers, why are they not made accountable?

If you don't mind me asking Pag, do you have regular performance discussions with the principal? Do they grade each teacher?

Can't speak for every site but we have semi-annual Performance Management meetings with our line manager (either Principal, Deputy or Assistant Principal), usually after we've been observed in the classroom.

It does frustrate the good teachers, especially as it reflects on the majority in the public eye. People tend to remember the bad ones more than the good ones IMO, as I believe they are the minority, they tend to stand out more. The point you make around poor teachers is correct, and Principals have asked for more power in selecting their staff. Some teachers may have won a permanent position at their site in the 80s or 90s and not changed their pedagogies or practices since, and it is incredibly hard for principals to move these staff members on who are locked to their school. There are plenty of enthusiastic teachers who are stuck in a term-by-term or year-by-year contract situations who would like to see this changed as well.

[Corona Man]

All games of cricket called off today..... FFS

[mighty_tiger_79]

All games of cricket called off today..... FFS

Off to Flemington

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[Corona Man]

All games of cricket called off today..... FFS

Off to Flemington

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Off to the pub to watch Flemington!

[PatowalongaPirate]

All games of cricket called off today..... FFS

Off to Flemington

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Off to the pub to watch Flemington!

Should really be in the things you rate thread.

[LMA]

Took Monday and Tuesday off as I have a heap of leave and have a Melb Cup luncheon on Sunday, felt a bit off yesterday and have woken up today with a bloody cold

[Dutchy]

There are poor and lazy teachers out there, as there are in every profession/trade, but for the majority, six is a more realistic number.

This bit frustrates me, and Im sure it frustrates the good teachers, why are they not made accountable?

If you don't mind me asking Pag, do you have regular performance discussions with the principal? Do they grade each teacher?

Can't speak for every site but we have semi-annual Performance Management meetings with our line manager (either Principal, Deputy or Assistant Principal), usually after we've been observed in the classroom.

It does frustrate the good teachers, especially as it reflects on the majority in the public eye. People tend to remember the bad ones more than the good ones IMO, as I believe they are the minority, they tend to stand out more. The point you make around poor teachers is correct, and Principals have asked for more power in selecting their staff. Some teachers may have won a permanent position at their site in the 80s or 90s and not changed their pedagogies or practices since, and it is incredibly hard for principals to move these staff members on who are locked to their school. There are plenty of enthusiastic teachers who are stuck in a term-by-term or year-by-year contract situations who would like to see this changed as well.

Thanks Pag some great insight, sounds like it needs an overhaul, should be some more performance based metrics IMO, pay for performance and weed out the poor ones, not just wait for natural attrition. Im sure there are some great young teachers who can't get a permanent role cause of the dead wood holding these roles.

[locky801]

The driver of the BMW that hit the koala on Main North Road Gepps Cross and didnt stop and left it lying injured in the middle of the road, sending heaps of karma your way you POS, thankfully a few of us stopped and collected the injured koala and got him to a vet

[mighty_tiger_79]

The driver of the BMW that hit the koala on Main North Road Gepps Cross and didnt stop and left it lying injured in the middle of the road, sending heaps of karma your way you POS, thankfully a few of us stopped and collected the injured koala and got him to a vet

Anyone get dashcam of the **** rego?

[Footy Chick]

The driver of the BMW that hit the koala on Main North Road Gepps Cross and didnt stop and left it lying injured in the middle of the road, sending heaps of karma your way you POS, thankfully a few of us stopped and collected the injured koala and got him to a vet

Assholes

Thank you for taking him to get help

[Pag]

There are poor and lazy teachers out there, as there are in every profession/trade, but for the majority, six is a more realistic number.

This bit frustrates me, and Im sure it frustrates the good teachers, why are they not made accountable?

If you don't mind me asking Pag, do you have regular performance discussions with the principal? Do they grade each teacher?

Can't speak for every site but we have semi-annual Performance Management meetings with our line manager (either Principal, Deputy or Assistant Principal), usually after we've been observed in the classroom.

It does frustrate the good teachers, especially as it reflects on the majority in the public eye. People tend to remember the bad ones more than the good ones IMO, as I believe they are the minority, they tend to stand out more. The point you make around poor teachers is correct, and Principals have asked for more power in selecting their staff. Some teachers may have won a permanent position at their site in the 80s or 90s and not changed their pedagogies or practices since, and it is incredibly hard for principals to move these staff members on who are locked to their school. There are plenty of enthusiastic teachers who are stuck in a term-by-term or year-by-year contract situations who would like to see this changed as well.

Thanks Pag some great insight, sounds like it needs an overhaul, should be some more performance based metrics IMO, pay for performance and weed out the poor ones, not just wait for natural attrition. Im sure there are some great young teachers who can't get a permanent role cause of the dead wood holding these roles.

It depends on what you call, and how you measure, 'performance'. The easy answer is to say use NAPLAN results because the whole state and country use it. However, so much of those results are completely out of teachers hands, depending on the context. Obviously the scores at Burnside PS and Norwood PS will be much higher than northern suburbs schools, however I would argue the skill sets that good teachers in disadvantaged socio-economic schools have is much higher than in schools where kids are naturally engaged, compliant and wanting to learn. Myself and my colleagues need to have more 'tricks' up our sleeves to engage or students than many other places, however the challenges our students face on a daily basis is still represented in NAPLAN data (compared to other areas of Adelaide).

Short answer, I don't know how you'd measure it across the board, besides maybe a principal rating each teacher's value to the individual site.

[DOC]

The driver of the BMW that hit the koala on Main North Road Gepps Cross and didnt stop and left it lying injured in the middle of the road, sending heaps of karma your way you POS, thankfully a few of us stopped and collected the injured koala and got him to a vet

Good on you Locky.

[Dutchy]

Short answer, I don't know how you'd measure it across the board, besides maybe a principal rating each teacher's value to the individual site.

Yeah agree, you couldn't use NAPLAN for reasons you have said, from what I know Principals need to have more control, they should have a large say in ensuring they have motivated and engaged staff.

[Booney]

The Sunday Mail not having the form for all the fields for Melbourne Cup day. Now I've got to do 5 races on top of the cup tonight!