Things that give you the sh1ts

[Brodlach]

The capitalist pyramid doesn't work like that. Not everyone who 'works hard' can be near the top.

For everyone that tries there are others who fail

[Jim05]

Hilarious!

Ok Booney, I have no idea about what you are talking about. Your opinion is the only correct one. You have obviously employed a lot of people.

I have been through many businesses in the last 28 years, I think I am very qualified to talk about this. I have plenty of experience with this and people's work ethic, personal growth and expectations.

It sounds like you have your business hat on and not your empathy hat!

I don't agree with paying double time on Sundays but some form of penalty rates still need to be in place to protect the employee.

What about protecting the small business owners who create all these jobs often at huge financial and emotional cost?

[Booney]

Hilarious!

Ok Booney, I have no idea about what you are talking about. Your opinion is the only correct one. You have obviously employed a lot of people.

I have been through many businesses in the last 28 years, I think I am very qualified to talk about this. I have plenty of experience with this and people's work ethic, personal growth and expectations.

It sounds like you have your business hat on and not your empathy hat!

I don't agree with paying double time on Sundays but some form of penalty rates still need to be in place to protect the employee.

What about protecting the small business owners who create all these jobs often at huge financial and emotional cost?

Hey, that's their choice, they don't have to do that.

They could choose something else and just work harder.

[Brodlach]

What does government handouts got to do with penalty Rates being slashed?

Amber was talking about it being hard to live on $800 a week for a family which would be very difficult, just pointing out that for low income earners there is extra assistance

(One last one)

You're right, they should just choose to earn $150k P.A instead.

I choose to earn $150k a year.........unfortunately for me, my CEO chooses not to pay it!!

That's because he is having to pay so much in penalty rates

[Brodlach]

Hilarious!

Ok Booney, I have no idea about what you are talking about. Your opinion is the only correct one. You have obviously employed a lot of people.

I have been through many businesses in the last 28 years, I think I am very qualified to talk about this. I have plenty of experience with this and people's work ethic, personal growth and expectations.

It sounds like you have your business hat on and not your empathy hat!

I don't agree with paying double time on Sundays but some form of penalty rates still need to be in place to protect the employee.

What about protecting the small business owners who create all these jobs often at huge financial and emotional cost?

Hey, that's their choice, they don't have to do that.

They could choose something else and just work harder.

Yep Jim they can choose to work for $800 a week instead

[amber_fluid]

Hilarious!

Ok Booney, I have no idea about what you are talking about. Your opinion is the only correct one. You have obviously employed a lot of people.

I have been through many businesses in the last 28 years, I think I am very qualified to talk about this. I have plenty of experience with this and people's work ethic, personal growth and expectations.

It sounds like you have your business hat on and not your empathy hat!

I don't agree with paying double time on Sundays but some form of penalty rates still need to be in place to protect the employee.

What about protecting the small business owners who create all these jobs often at huge financial and emotional cost?

Reducing penalty rates will help small business owners.....but abolishing them altogether helps no one.
It's a fine line.

[bennymacca]

I understand what you are saying(to a degree) but people without education or qualifications don't have a choice sometimes.
Their only choice is to work a low income job with penalty rates or become unemployed.
I know what I'd rather them do.

everyone has the choice to get educated

[amber_fluid]

(One last one)

You're right, they should just choose to earn $150k P.A instead.

I choose to earn $150k a year.........unfortunately for me, my CEO chooses not to pay it!!

That's because he is having to pay so much in penalty rates

I'm on salary so I don't even get overtime let alone penalty rates.
But that's my choice

[Booney]

I understand what you are saying(to a degree) but people without education or qualifications don't have a choice sometimes.
Their only choice is to work a low income job with penalty rates or become unemployed.
I know what I'd rather them do.

everyone has the choice to get educated

That's extremely patronising IMO. Does everyone have the same capacity? Is every hospitality or retail worker below the intellect of someone who is "educated"?

[bennymacca]

I understand what you are saying(to a degree) but people without education or qualifications don't have a choice sometimes.
Their only choice is to work a low income job with penalty rates or become unemployed.
I know what I'd rather them do.

everyone has the choice to get educated

That's extremely patronising IMO. Does everyone have the same capacity? Is every hospitality or retail worker below the intellect of someone who is "educated"?

Of course everyone has varying skillsets and intelligence. But my point was if someone wants to get some sort of education, those personal traits are likely the only barrier.

I didnt mean it that everyone can get a uni degree or something. But forklift tickets or tafe certificates are within reach and affordable for everyone if they so desire.

[Brodlach]

You are right


We have a guy who is considered a genius his IQ is so high, just a lazy f***er who will live to regret it one day. Does his job and that's it

[Brodlach]

That's why so many people are on benefits

Nope, that's what they want you to think. The level of people in Australia on welfare has fallen significantly over the past decade.

It's all in the way they produce the figures


You work one hour a week and you are taken off the unemployed rate.

Those are unemployment statistics.

Australia's welfare statistics can be seen in plain daylight, and it's easy to find interactive graphs on the web that separate figures for newstart, aged pension, DSP etc. and how our welfare to GDP ratio compares to other countries

I was just using that as an example and how figures can be manipulated

[Q.]

Those are unemployment statistics.

Australia's welfare statistics can be seen in plain daylight, and it's easy to find interactive graphs on the web that separate figures for newstart, aged pension, DSP etc. and how our welfare to GDP ratio compares to other countries

I was just using that as an example and how figures can be manipulated

Here ya go, knock your socks off with these figures:

http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?datasetcode=SOCX_AGG

We ranked 25 out of 30 in the OECD in terms of expenditure for unemployment.

FYI, aged pension makes up the majority of our total welfare budget.

[Brodlach]

Thanks, have not seen that before. Will look at it tonight. Does it tell you what the average person in $$$ is be country? (Serious question not trying to be a smart ass or start another disagreement) . I'm only on a small iPad ATM

[Q.]

Thanks, have not seen that before. Will look at it tonight. Does it tell you what the average person in $$$ is be country? (Serious question not trying to be a smart ass or start another disagreement) . I'm only on a small iPad ATM

yes, there is a wage drop down box on the left

average Aussie wage in 2014 was about $79K

[Wedgie]

I'm just spewing tradies earn so much. When I was at school you went into a trade if you were too dumb to get past year 9.
I'm spewing because 2 of them have moved next to us paying $520 per week rent and have a shit taste in music and no community awareness.
I'd rather people in hospitality get more and these morons got a lot less and moved back to the far northern and southern suburbs.
Thank christ its a 6 month lease only.

[Pseudo]

You are right


We have a guy who is considered a genius his IQ is so high, just a lazy f***er who will live to regret it one day. Does his job and that's it

So you're the West fan in the office down the corridor! I'd come and say g'day but it's not in my job description...

[Magellan]

I'm just spewing tradies earn so much. When I was at school you went into a trade if you were too dumb to get past year 9.
I'm spewing because 2 of them have moved next to us paying $520 per week rent and have a shit taste in music and no community awareness.

What, there's no "**** off we're full" sticker on their ute?

[Booney]

Of course everyone has varying skillsets and intelligence. But my point was if someone wants to get some sort of education, those personal traits are likely the only barrier.

I didnt mean it that everyone can get a uni degree or something. But forklift tickets or tafe certificates are within reach and affordable for everyone if they so desire.

Having very recently ( in the last two weeks ) looked at TAFE courses for Little Miss Boon I can tell you they simply aren't. Cert III in Barbering and Hairdressing - 18 months - $19,000.

[Spargo]

Of course everyone has varying skillsets and intelligence. But my point was if someone wants to get some sort of education, those personal traits are likely the only barrier.

I didnt mean it that everyone can get a uni degree or something. But forklift tickets or tafe certificates are within reach and affordable for everyone if they so desire.

Having very recently ( in the last two weeks ) looked at TAFE courses for Little Miss Boon I can tell you they simply aren't. Cert III in Barbering and Hairdressing - 18 months - $19,000.

You could get some weekend bar work to help pay for the course...