Jockey Challenge

[overloaded]

Having a good look at C Pye and T Bannon ride today you can see why they are riding a long way from the city. they are aweful riders who look like they are just happy to finish the race still aboard the horse

Again I found the overs and again I get rolled, this is becoming a regular occurance. I am getting frustrated, when will my turn come?

[dodgingandweaving]

Having a good look at C Pye and T Bannon ride today you can see why they are riding a long way from the city. they are aweful riders who look like they are just happy to finish the race still aboard the horse

Again I found the overs and again I get rolled, this is becoming a regular occurance. I am getting frustrated, when will my turn come?

Patience.
If not for Spinks we had a big chance.
But you're right, it's difficult to have much faith when your money is on Bannon, Babarovich, Pye, Cross....
I'm about to give the Mackay, Rocky, etc tracks away for JC.
They are the most frustrating jocks.

But at the $41 you had to have a crack.

[overloaded]

I am losing faith dodgeball. the pain is getting to much!

I keep loading up when I get good overs and I keep getting beat. The bookies must love me. I am totally losing faith in Grubs overs system as I am down thousands of dollars now.
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Need some advice or a moral boost from someone... as I am hurting big time.

p.s I had 2 goes at the $41

[dodgingandweaving]

I need some consoling too, also had 2 cracks at it.

Stick with it. When it comes off at $41 it will be all worth it.

[JK]

I am losing faith dodgeball. the pain is getting to much!

I keep loading up when I get good overs and I keep getting beat. The bookies must love me. I am totally losing faith in Grubs overs system as I am down thousands of dollars now.
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Need some advice or a moral boost from someone... as I am hurting big time.

p.s I had 2 goes at the $41

I really do believe in Grubs system of backing the overs mate, Using the $41 on offer today as an example (which granted will rarely be on offer) you only have to hit once in 40 shots to be in front.

Maybe smaller bets to lessen the blow on the A/C until a coupla winners turn up to help the bottom line?

Either way mate, I rate your punting on the JC's .. They might not have landed, but they will

[Brodlach]

If I was anyone who backed AOJ (or any jockey) today in Qld, I would expect to get a refund(From Sportingbet) as the rules state that all listed jockeys must ride at least 1 race and because Whiteley didnt ride a race the bet should be null and void. If you dont get a refund, I would suggest jumping on the phone and asking why.

Mackay Jocke...3,2,1 points


Listed rider must complete one ride for bet to stand. Dead heat rules apply

Jockey Price
T Bannon 2.60
C Pye 4.00
A Coome 4.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 6.00
D Missen 10.00
D Simmons 21.00
A Spinks 26.00
C Whiteley 31.00

[another grub]

Absolute compelling reading looking through this thread today and I can't wait to return to the fold. Monday Feb 7 is the day.

Overloaded a simple rule of punting is that you must keeping backing 'overs' to win. Stick with it mate as when you get a couple of big returns in a row you will get your money back two fold. I feel it is just around the corner. It is so handy for us to all watch out for 'suspended' markets or slow agencies and pounce on these 'overs'. Together we can watch out for each other, from 10 am to Noon every day we must be diligent and work as one.

Dodgy what we need to do is keep a record of our daily profit/loss. I will be doing this on Monday and starting again. I want you and others who are serious to keep track. Who could forget the good old days when the BINGO's and CAAA CHHHINNNGGS were a regular occurnace every second day

This is where the conjecture starts brod and you make a valid point.
I presume they would have refunded the people who backed Whitely, Whitely was still left in the market after he had no rides, I recall this because AOJ came into $6 and Whitely was still there at $31. In this case they probably held no money (or maybe only a few bucks) on Whitely so instead of reframing the market and cancelling all the bets they let it ride. However if the $1.20 fav had have pulled out and they were going to lose a fortune as everyone else was $10 or better then would they have cancelled the market? I think so! Those who backed with sportingbet prior to Whitely being taken out (not that he was taken out) have a right to ask for their mony back IMHO.
Brod are the other agencies different with their rules? This is a must know. I remember we chased this up a while ago but it would be great to refresh my memory.

See you all soon

[mickey]

SPORTSBET AUSTRALIA - Rules

182. ‘Jockey Challenge’ bets are available on selected meetings. Betting is Win only and all bets are accepted on an all-in basis (i.e. no refunds for non-riders and no deductions from any other rider). The winning jockey for the meeting is decided under a 3, 2, 1 points scoring system.
182.1. In each race of the meeting, the winning jockey receives 3 points, the second placed jockey receives 2 points and the third placed jockey receives 1 point. The jockey who accumulates the most points throughout the meeting is deemed the winner. In the event of a dead heat, where two or more Jockeys are equal on points at the completion of all races at the meeting, the Dead Heat Rule applies.
182.2. If a meeting is abandoned or postponed to another date, single bets are void and wagers will be refunded. Affected MultiBets will be recalculated excluding that event or leg.
Wagers will not be voided and refunded where:
(a) In the event of Jockey Challenge betting on a single meeting, a jockey has an unassailable lead in which case all bets stand. (b) in the event of Jockey Challenge betting on a racing carnival, a jockey has an unassailable lead in which case all bets stand.
182.3. In the event of horses dead heating for the win and/or place; points are shared equally by the number of competitors that Dead Heat.

[another grub]

Thanks Mickey

So it looks like no refunds from Sportsbet then, so if a jock doesnt even ride - no refund? All-in, Am I reading that right?

I am not a huge Sportsbet fan in the jockey challenges? do they do them 7 days a week yet? Sure I will look at them on a Sat or Wed but at no other time do I look them up.

Any other sites have rules that you can post. Lets get serious about this and start making some decent money.

[mickey]

CENTREBET

4.6 Jockey Challenge

Unless otherwise specified by the market rules (typically for Jockey Challenge based on events outside of Australia) ;

'Jockey Challenge' is betting on a jockey achieving the highest aggregate points scored in races conducted at a particular race meeting or over a specified period. e.g Spring Carnival

The winner will be the jockey who has the most points accumulated at the end of the meeting, specified races or period. Points will be accrued per race and calculated as follows:

3 points for a winning ride
2 points for a second placed ride
1 point for a third placed ride.
Betting on the Jockey Challenge is Win Only. In the case of two or more jockeys finishing the day on the same amount of points the Dead Heat Rule applies. This is regardless of the amount of outright winners ridden by either of these jockeys.

All wagers on Jockey Challenge are on a 'All-in' basis.

In the event of a race meeting being abandoned or postponed all bets are void and monies are to be refunded except as in the following two scenarios;

In the event of a race meeting not being completed as originally programmed all bets shall be deemed void and monies are to be refunded, except when it is determined by Racing NSW Stewards that a jockey has an unassailable lead, in which case all bets stand.
In the case of a Jockey Challenge betting on a racing carnival race meeting which is not completed in its entirety, all bets shall be deemed void and monies are to be refunded, except when it is determined by Racing NSW Stewards that a jockey has an unassailable lead, in which case all bets stand.
Points will only be allocated to the jockey(s) who actually ride the winning or placed horse(s) in a race. Points will not be allocated to any rider who may have been engaged to ride a horse but was subsequently replaced by permission or direction of the Stewards.

There will be no refunds of bets should a jockey be replaced by another rider.

Payment will be declared at the end of each race meeting or a racing carnival, unless otherwise directed by the Stewards.

Note: The option 'Any Other Individual Jockey' covers any jockey in the particular meeting whose odds are not listed in the market.

[JK]

Thanks Mickey

So it looks like no refunds from Sportsbet then, so if a jock doesnt even ride - no refund? All-in, Am I reading that right?

I am not a huge Sportsbet fan in the jockey challenges? do they do them 7 days a week yet? Sure I will look at them on a Sat or Wed but at no other time do I look them up.

Any other sites have rules that you can post. Lets get serious about this and start making some decent money.

They do most days now mate, but are still pretty unreliable for non-metro meets .. Today they did Mackay and Warnambool, and yesterday they did a couple but generally Mondays they dont have a market at all.

Very hit and miss mate.

[another grub]

Thanks Mickey

So it looks like no refunds from Sportsbet then, so if a jock doesnt even ride - no refund? All-in, Am I reading that right?

I am not a huge Sportsbet fan in the jockey challenges? do they do them 7 days a week yet? Sure I will look at them on a Sat or Wed but at no other time do I look them up.

Any other sites have rules that you can post. Lets get serious about this and start making some decent money.

They do most days now mate, but are still pretty unreliable for non-metro meets .. Today they did Mackay and Warnambool, and yesterday they did a couple but generally Mondays they dont have a market at all.

Very hit and miss mate.

Thats what I thought CP thanks. Unreliable. So they will not get much of my business.

Looks like Centrebet are ''all in' too then mickey. Have they all changed recently to this? maybe its a thing across the board Aus wide. So this means even if your jock pulls out and does not have a ride you lose your money cold.

I guess it makes sense to have 1 rule Aust wide, are sportingbet the same? What about the TAB. Sorry to be a pain, just doing my homework for my return

[mighty_tiger_79]

this begs the question whether when picking out a jock is it worth taking all ups on the rides that are expected to score

[another grub]

Does anyone know the JC points system for Hong Kong? It differs to our I think.

How would a 4,3,2,1 points per race work or even a 5,4,3,2,1. ?????????????

[another grub]

this begs the question whether when picking out a jock is it worth taking all ups on the rides that are expected to score

Great point MT. A parlay system is worth looking at.

[mighty_tiger_79]

this begs the question whether when picking out a jock is it worth taking all ups on the rides that are expected to score

Great point MT. A parlay system is worth looking at.

only given the way these corporate bookies screw the punter at every opportunity, if we are on these individual then its OUR responsibility

[mighty_tiger_79]

Does anyone know the JC points system for Hong Kong? It differs to our I think.

How would a 4,3,2,1 points per race work or even a 5,4,3,2,1. ?????????????

never seen it

only seen a premiership market not a raceday market

[another grub]

I noticed a bet today but didnt back him it was G Lynch at Pt Maq
this was the market..

D Spriggs 3.00
P Schmidt 4.20
S Thurlow 5.50
P Graham 6.50
R Thompson 8.00
Any Other Individual Jockey 12.00
R Spokes 21.00
G Lynch 26.00

This was there individual rides fixed price
Lynch $13, $12, $7, $16, $21, $5.50
D Spriggs $7, $2.30, $16, $13 and possibly a late scratching in the last that would have been in the market possibly. (not sure what happened)

D Spriggs (at start of day) had 5 rides and was $3 . Lynch had 6 rides and was $26. Why the big difference. There is not a lot of difference in their fixed priced rides?

I didnt back him as I was in a hurry today but this is the sort of stuff I will be studying as of next week.

[dodgingandweaving]

Absolute compelling reading looking through this thread today and I can't wait to return to the fold. Monday Feb 7 is the day.

Overloaded a simple rule of punting is that you must keeping backing 'overs' to win. Stick with it mate as when you get a couple of big returns in a row you will get your money back two fold. I feel it is just around the corner. It is so handy for us to all watch out for 'suspended' markets or slow agencies and pounce on these 'overs'. Together we can watch out for each other, from 10 am to Noon every day we must be diligent and work as one.

Dodgy what we need to do is keep a record of our daily profit/loss. I will be doing this on Monday and starting again. I want you and others who are serious to keep track. Who could forget the good old days when the BINGO's and CAAA CHHHINNNGGS were a regular occurnace every second day

This is where the conjecture starts brod and you make a valid point.
I presume they would have refunded the people who backed Whitely, Whitely was still left in the market after he had no rides, I recall this because AOJ came into $6 and Whitely was still there at $31. In this case they probably held no money (or maybe only a few bucks) on Whitely so instead of reframing the market and cancelling all the bets they let it ride. However if the $1.20 fav had have pulled out and they were going to lose a fortune as everyone else was $10 or better then would they have cancelled the market? I think so! Those who backed with sportingbet prior to Whitely being taken out (not that he was taken out) have a right to ask for their mony back IMHO.
Brod are the other agencies different with their rules? This is a must know. I remember we chased this up a while ago but it would be great to refresh my memory.

See you all soon

The news of your return is timely AG.
There is plenty of coin to made off the bookies in this bet type, and heck it's a bloody great way to get through the day.

But the bottom line is, we must know every in and out/every rule for each different bookmaker.
That way when a particular situation, such as today occurs, we know which bookies to hit to secure our cash.

[mighty_tiger_79]

http://www.hkjc.com/english/racing/Jockey.asp