Grade Cricket

[oldeagle]

Spot on beeroclock. It is a huge time commitment.

Parents!!! Don't get me started.

"I've paid for a uniform and subs" Exactly what clubs want. Paid up and well dressed players.
"What did you do to get your son selected in a High Performance squad?". I slept with the entire selection panel. More than once.
"My son wants to play for Australia". So do I but I'm 55 and not much good.

I'm sorry. It's been a long day.

[bigstack]

I'm not a SACA advocate but I do know they actively try to get grade clubs to build the community club bridge. From my experience there a number of players who supposedly "could have been anything" apart from the fact that when push comes to shove they not consistent and don't want to do the hard yards. I would be very surprised if there is an 18 - 30 year old out there in community club cricket who has the determination to play 1st class cricket and is not in the system

With all these K's being thrown around does SACA realize there is a cricket community outside of Gepps Cross. There are kids in country areas who do have the ability to get in the system however they are largely ignored by SACA or their zone disrict club. Most parents work making it difficult to keep taking their children to Adelaide continually if theydo happen to be noticed by a district club. SACA needs to provide funding to country associations so they can fund specialised coaching for kids at a relatively early age. And district clubs need to be more active and show a greater presence in their zones.

[smac]

I wouldn't knock what country cricket gets.

Pound for pound, they do extremely well.

[oldeagle]

If I keep this up I'll be working for SACA soon. There is the Les Favell Foundation Scholarship for country kids

recipients last season were.

Samantha Betts
Mark Smith
Isaac Boylan
Tom Hawthorne
Tyson Panagiotou
Shaun Reilly
Aiden McGregor-Baptista

[daysofourlives]

I wouldn't knock what country cricket gets.

Pound for pound, they do extremely well.

What do they get SMAC?
Kids in the country who make the squads that travel to adelaide to play in the SACA run carnivals of which there is even more levels now u12 through to u17 are required to pay $100 each for the pleasure. If a family ahs 2 or 3 talented boys thats a big cost.
Country clubs do alot to get kids involved in the game keeping subs very low at around $20 per season as well as supplying shirts. They are in effect subsidised by the senior players.
IMO SACA should be funding these carnivals, after all it is making their jobs much easier in identifying talent in the country areas. I also feel there should be less of these carnivals i.e 2 year age intervals to get a higher concentration of talent

[daysofourlives]

If I keep this up I'll be working for SACA soon. There is the Les Favell Foundation Scholarship for country kids

recipients last season were.

Samantha Betts
Mark Smith
Isaac Boylan
Tom Hawthorne
Tyson Panagiotou
Shaun Reilly
Aiden McGregor-Baptista

Funded by whom???

[smac]

Perhaps SACA need to realise what roles community clubs play in the development of future cricketers and what they do well. I know that our community club has seen a lot of cricketers go to District level and come back a season or two later because they don't enjoy the culture nor support network at those clubs.

As much as we encourage them to explore the possibilities of playing at a higher level, they are young adults and make their own decisions and unfortunately have all come back to play with mates and with clubs that "know" them and their abilities. Perhaps some of the grant money could be used to reward those responsible, well managed community clubs that are nurturing the future talent and more interaction from state based talent scouts and coaches at that level. Develop some grassroots interaction and even community-based cricketing "hubs" that assist the talented cricketers avenue to more focused levels of training and playing etc in an environment they know and are comfortable in.

Any player that can't cope at grade level won't ever be a first class cricketer.

[oldeagle]

Perhaps SACA need to realise what roles community clubs play in the development of future cricketers and what they do well. I know that our community club has seen a lot of cricketers go to District level and come back a season or two later because they don't enjoy the culture nor support network at those clubs.

As much as we encourage them to explore the possibilities of playing at a higher level, they are young adults and make their own decisions and unfortunately have all come back to play with mates and with clubs that "know" them and their abilities. Perhaps some of the grant money could be used to reward those responsible, well managed community clubs that are nurturing the future talent and more interaction from state based talent scouts and coaches at that level. Develop some grassroots interaction and even community-based cricketing "hubs" that assist the talented cricketers avenue to more focused levels of training and playing etc in an environment they know and are comfortable in.

Any player that can't cope at grade level won't ever be a first class cricketer.

Agreed.

[smac]

I wouldn't knock what country cricket gets.

Pound for pound, they do extremely well.

What do they get SMAC?
Kids in the country who make the squads that travel to adelaide to play in the SACA run carnivals of which there is even more levels now u12 through to u17 are required to pay $100 each for the pleasure. If a family ahs 2 or 3 talented boys thats a big cost.
Country clubs do alot to get kids involved in the game keeping subs very low at around $20 per season as well as supplying shirts. They are in effect subsidised by the senior players.
IMO SACA should be funding these carnivals, after all it is making their jobs much easier in identifying talent in the country areas. I also feel there should be less of these carnivals i.e 2 year age intervals to get a higher concentration of talent

SACA pay $10k per country cup, plus staffing, as well as supplying staff to coordinate trials and other country academies.

I know your mob didn't have it as good after a change in development staff this season (:smile:) but it runs pretty well. Happy to exchange thoughts with you and compare what you got compared to PDCA if you want.

There are grants, reimbursement (increasing as time goes on) as well.

[smac]

Plus any kid in a country zone in a state squad got personalised coaching from Mark Sorrel last season.

What was there 4 years ago?

[smac]

If I keep this up I'll be working for SACA soon. There is the Les Favell Foundation Scholarship for country kids

recipients last season were.

Samantha Betts
Mark Smith
Isaac Boylan
Tom Hawthorne
Tyson Panagiotou
Shaun Reilly
Aiden McGregor-Baptista

Funded by whom???

The Les Favell Foundation.

[oldeagle]

If I keep this up I'll be working for SACA soon. There is the Les Favell Foundation Scholarship for country kids

recipients last season were.

Samantha Betts
Mark Smith
Isaac Boylan
Tom Hawthorne
Tyson Panagiotou
Shaun Reilly
Aiden McGregor-Baptista

Funded by whom???

I'm guessing that all funding pretty much comes from Cricket Australia which gets it's money from TV deals and people like me paying to go through the gate. So.. indirectly I'm responsible for all spending on Australian cricket.

[tigerpie]

SMAC it would be nice to get the money saca owe us for hosting these country carnival games.Its only $1000 and we have to wait for ages and constantly have to chase them up for payment. i.e its now may and we hosted these games in january.
Our club goes to a lot of effort when hosting these games, making sure the facilities are open and the ground and wicket are tip top.

[oldeagle]

Yep. I'm with you on this one Tigerpie. SACA are slow payers. Took 3 months to pay a kid I know of for a game played in the Futures League.

[smac]

SMAC it would be nice to get the money saca owe us for hosting these country carnival games.Its only $1000 and we have to wait for ages and constantly have to chase them up for payment. i.e its now may and we hosted these games in january.
Our club goes to a lot of effort when hosting these games, making sure the facilities are open and the ground and wicket are tip top.

Can't argue with that.

[Footy Smart]

Have been reading this thread with great interest.

SMAC have to agree with ditching the whites, and your comment regarding horrible motivation for having them.
I would like to see a graph of junior cricket participation rates over the last 10 years. I feel its dropped at community level, in some areas pretty drastically over the last 3 years. Why not have the whites lads posted back to community clubs and being put on notice that with form they can get in the reds. They train 1 night with grade club and 1 with community club. This will help bolster junior cricket at cc level.
As for the $50 000 crickey!!! My club would like a slice of that and so would all the others. Maintaining good turf facilities costs money and with water bills on the rise some help financially in these areas would be a god send!

Why doesnt cc see any significant monies? Some do as much in the way of quality coaching and facilities. CC clubs pay for level 1-2-3 coaching accreditation for their coaches and then they bugger off and coach junior grade clubs as has happened to my club.. Should the cc clubs be re-imbursed for these payments?

Bit rich TP to have a go at a bloke who gave a fair few years service to your club and was presented with an opportunity that doesnt come up that often. Cant begrudge a bloke for leaving to coach at a higher level.... same with a player who leaves to a higher level (this is not putting down Reynella at all from all reports a proud/well run club).

[The Hound]

SMAC it would be nice to get the money saca owe us for hosting these country carnival games.Its only $1000 and we have to wait for ages and constantly have to chase them up for payment. i.e its now may and we hosted these games in january.
Our club goes to a lot of effort when hosting these games, making sure the facilities are open and the ground and wicket are tip top.

TP unfortuanetly the invoice was not attached to the email sent into the SACA and that is the reason why no payment has been made

[tigerpie]

Have been reading this thread with great interest.

SMAC have to agree with ditching the whites, and your comment regarding horrible motivation for having them.
I would like to see a graph of junior cricket participation rates over the last 10 years. I feel its dropped at community level, in some areas pretty drastically over the last 3 years. Why not have the whites lads posted back to community clubs and being put on notice that with form they can get in the reds. They train 1 night with grade club and 1 with community club. This will help bolster junior cricket at cc level.
As for the $50 000 crickey!!! My club would like a slice of that and so would all the others. Maintaining good turf facilities costs money and with water bills on the rise some help financially in these areas would be a god send!

Why doesnt cc see any significant monies? Some do as much in the way of quality coaching and facilities. CC clubs pay for level 1-2-3 coaching accreditation for their coaches and then they bugger off and coach junior grade clubs as has happened to my club.. Should the cc clubs be re-imbursed for these payments?

Bit rich TP to have a go at a bloke who gave a fair few years service to your club and was presented with an opportunity that doesnt come up that often. Cant begrudge a bloke for leaving to coach at a higher level.... same with a player who leaves to a higher level (this is not putting down Reynella at all from all reports a proud/well run club).

Not having a go at the bloke, have not and would not begrudge anyone wanting to coach at a higher level or a player wanting to play grade cricket. My point is that saca or ca should pay for coaches to achieve these levels of coaching not community clubs. If the bloke goes to coach higher levels of cricket then that knowledge base is lost to said community club.

[heater31]

Have been reading this thread with great interest.

SMAC have to agree with ditching the whites, and your comment regarding horrible motivation for having them.
I would like to see a graph of junior cricket participation rates over the last 10 years. I feel its dropped at community level, in some areas pretty drastically over the last 3 years. Why not have the whites lads posted back to community clubs and being put on notice that with form they can get in the reds. They train 1 night with grade club and 1 with community club. This will help bolster junior cricket at cc level.
As for the $50 000 crickey!!! My club would like a slice of that and so would all the others. Maintaining good turf facilities costs money and with water bills on the rise some help financially in these areas would be a god send!

Why doesnt cc see any significant monies? Some do as much in the way of quality coaching and facilities. CC clubs pay for level 1-2-3 coaching accreditation for their coaches and then they bugger off and coach junior grade clubs as has happened to my club.. Should the cc clubs be re-imbursed for these payments?

Bit rich TP to have a go at a bloke who gave a fair few years service to your club and was presented with an opportunity that doesnt come up that often. Cant begrudge a bloke for leaving to coach at a higher level.... same with a player who leaves to a higher level (this is not putting down Reynella at all from all reports a proud/well run club).

Not having a go at the bloke, have not and would not begrudge anyone wanting to coach at a higher level or a player wanting to play grade cricket. My point is that saca or ca should pay for coaches to achieve these levels of coaching not community clubs. If the bloke goes to coach higher levels of cricket then that knowledge base is lost to said community club.

Clubs paid for the coach's accreditation? Fool on the club IMO as that should be the individual's expense not the clubs. They want to better themselves so they should pay for it

[tigerpie]

I disagree heater.
We want quality coaches at our club and are willing to pay for the course. But having said that, Cricket Australia or the SACA should be paying. It benefits grade clubs when the lads go off to play grade cricket, as we should all promote, then the training drills, excercises, are current best practise.