SAAFL division 6 2014

[scottroo]

We have access to our bar for 6 months of the year, its worked by volunteers in part and a paid bar man when appropriate

[jo172]

Out of curiosity, whom on here owns their own bar, as in, when you buy a beer, where and to whom does that money go, and along a similar vein, who staffs the bar, volunteers or paid workers?

Our bar is a conduit of money from the patrons of the football club to propping up a cricket club.

[Arch44]

I see Fitzroy are building a nice squad, with Chris McLean and Nathan Rayner playing the last couple, a clearance in for Inness Chatham too plus others recently cleared. Put an end to Mawson's finals aspirations on Satdy.

I have been thinking the same Mr B. Saw them train a bit in the preseason and watched them against Blackfriars and thought they are bit better than their early form. Will definitely be around the mark.

Chatham play for West Croyden last year?

Never heard of him before?

[Arch44]

Out of curiosity, whom on here owns their own bar, as in, when you buy a beer, where and to whom does that money go, and along a similar vein, who staffs the bar, volunteers or paid workers?

We have a paid bar manager and all profits go to the club.

[morell]

Out of curiosity, whom on here owns their own bar, as in, when you buy a beer, where and to whom does that money go, and along a similar vein, who staffs the bar, volunteers or paid workers?

Our bar is a conduit of money from the patrons of the football club to propping up a cricket club.

Ditto. Except for us its a Cricket Club, Dog Club, Tennis Club and Rugby Club.

We do not see a single cent from our bar.

Of course, this comes from the insistence from Council which stipulates that to use their building, their oval, their lights, we have to be a broader sporting club, not just a footy club, this is despite the Football Club probably contributing to >60% of the money and >75% of the work.

Thats structural problem #1 of about 70 of why Mitchell Park cannot currently pay players.

But hey, its ALL in our control, right Jetters and marbles? We should just demand use of the bar and tell Council to get stuffed. Of course we would likely get kicked out and SHOCOS would take control of the site, but you know, Jetters and marbles know all.

[Arch44]

I see Fitzroy are building a nice squad, with Chris McLean and Nathan Rayner playing the last couple, a clearance in for Inness Chatham too plus others recently cleared. Put an end to Mawson's finals aspirations on Satdy.

I have been thinking the same Mr B. Saw them train a bit in the preseason and watched them against Blackfriars and thought they are bit better than their early form. Will definitely be around the mark.

Chatham play for West Croyden last year?

Never heard of him before?

Says getting cleared from Adelaide plains league.

[Robb_Stark]

is there any loophole you can exploit ??

[morell]

We're working on it

[great catch]

I see Fitzroy are building a nice squad, with Chris McLean and Nathan Rayner playing the last couple, a clearance in for Inness Chatham too plus others recently cleared. Put an end to Mawson's finals aspirations on Satdy.

I have been thinking the same Mr B. Saw them train a bit in the preseason and watched them against Blackfriars and thought they are bit better than their early form. Will definitely be around the mark.

Chatham play for West Croyden last year?

Never heard of him before?

Inness Chatham played for fitzroy a couple years ago this year went to port Wakefield now going back to fitzroy never played for west Croydon

[Jetters]

Out of curiosity, whom on here owns their own bar, as in, when you buy a beer, where and to whom does that money go, and along a similar vein, who staffs the bar, volunteers or paid workers?

Our bar is a conduit of money from the patrons of the football club to propping up a cricket club.

Ditto. Except for us its a Cricket Club, Dog Club, Tennis Club and Rugby Club.

We do not see a single cent from our bar.

Of course, this comes from the insistence from Council which stipulates that to use their building, their oval, their lights, we have to be a broader sporting club, not just a footy club, this is despite the Football Club probably contributing to >60% of the money and >75% of the work.

Thats structural problem #1 of about 70 of why Mitchell Park cannot currently pay players.

But hey, its ALL in our control, right Jetters and marbles? We should just demand use of the bar and tell Council to get stuffed. Of course we would likely get kicked out and SHOCOS would take control of the site, but you know, Jetters and marbles know all.

Why would you highlight 'ALL' when I clearly, and deliberately, wrote 'most'?

You have difficulties accessing your share of bar revenue. Fair point. However, you have great facilities (which look like getting redeveloped) and are open more nights of the week than most. Everyone has their own advantages and disadvantages.

You prefer to blame others and look for excuses for why clubs arent performing, I prefer to attribute the majority of success/non-success to the club itself.

In our area (Unley, Mitcham, Glenunga, CLG, Goodwood, Kenilworth etc) we are all subject to similar circumstances to build a football club and yet these clubs typically range from Div 1 to 6 (some of the typically lower div clubs have improved over the last couple of years). Some clubs have some advantages/disadvantages others don't, but overall the #1 thing that surely attributes to a clubs success failure is its management.

FWIW, I also disagree with the principles behind your player payment example.

[Mr Beefy]

Out of curiosity, whom on here owns their own bar, as in, when you buy a beer, where and to whom does that money go, and along a similar vein, who staffs the bar, volunteers or paid workers?

We have a paid bar manager and all profits go to the club.

Ditto, and along with the 12 months revenue we get the 12 months expenses which can be quite a burden during the slow months

[morell]

**** me. No wonder we can't compete.

What % would bar takings contribute to the overall revenue of your clubs?

[jo172]

**** me. No wonder we can't compete.

What % would bar takings contribute to the overall revenue of your clubs?

I'm jelly.

[Sheik Yerbouti]

OK Thanks, heard Innes had gone to WC last year, apparently not.

[Mr Beefy]

**** me. No wonder we can't compete.

What % would bar takings contribute to the overall revenue of your clubs?

Without having the numbers handy it is far too high. I'd say last year might have been around 80% but I'd say that was a bit of a spike due to the new rooms. Our bar takings alone were 150% above a previous year's total revenue. Our challenge is to maintain our revenue or increase it by diversifying our revenue streams. We have doubled our membership numbers and now have 4 x 8 ball teams. Hopefully we will put a cricket team on the park soon.

[old farmer]

**** me. No wonder we can't compete.

What % would bar takings contribute to the overall revenue of your clubs?

IFFC recieve no money from the Ingle Farm sporting club. The sporting club get all the money from the bar and kitchen which cater for all 8 sporting bodies that form our club. Each sport has it's own committee that run themselves through the hard work of our volunteers. We recieve benefits from the IFSC, such as lighting bill, will pay for bands on a Saturday night if we have one, Carton of beer or a free meal for the A grade etc. Apart from that our canteen, funraising, subs and the support of some nice sponsors (thanks to the hard work of our sponsorship manager) is what we run our club on. All clubs go through good times and bad times, but if your club is ran correctly and is a place people want to be around then the good times will outweigh the bad.

[Yank Man]

**** me. No wonder we can't compete.

What % would bar takings contribute to the overall revenue of your clubs?

Without having the numbers handy it is far too high. I'd say last year might have been around 80% but I'd say that was a bit of a spike due to the new rooms. Our bar takings alone were 150% above a previous year's total revenue. Our challenge is to maintain our revenue or increase it by diversifying our revenue streams. We have doubled our membership numbers and now have 4 x 8 ball teams. Hopefully we will put a cricket team on the park soon.

Included in our footy budget also is complete funding of our juniors. We only charge them $60 for subs at the moment until we can develop a full group. They cost us between $4 and $6k for a season but will be worth it in the long term. The footy club also pays the 'sporting club' for the priviledge of using the facility at $20 a head for every player and member. Don't get me started on the Mitchell Park Sporting Club. Fact is 85 percent of their income is footy, juniors, cricket and the gorgeous gals from the netball club, and they are all associated in one way shape or form to the Football Club.

[Former Roo]

Very smart work from Rosies.. Dropping a couple when there's nothing on the line to relieve what surely was some crippling pressure and expectations on the lads. Spending $50k on players was never going to guarantee instant success but it will guarantee a premiership come September. A champion team will always beat a team of champions but it has no real chance against a team of superstars bonded by a love of cash!! Word is they'll go as far ensuring they finish second or third as they're desperate to avoid a repeat of last year's Greg Norman at the '96 Masters impersonation.

[Yank Man]

Very smart work from Rosies.. Dropping a couple when there's nothing on the line to relieve what surely was some crippling pressure and expectations on the lads. Spending $50k on players was never going to guarantee instant success but it will guarantee a premiership come September. A champion team will always beat a team of champions but it has no real chance against a team of superstars bonded by a love of cash!! Word is they'll go as far ensuring they finish second or third as they're desperate to avoid a repeat of last year's Greg Norman at the '96 Masters impersonation.

[bulldogs]

Some interesting reading and I feel for those clubs struggling.
Surely you run your club to a budget if you can budget for paying players say 20k that's all you pay, if it's 5k then you pay 5. If it's nothing then you don't pay. Need to have certain individuals from with in who are in control of sponsorship/ fundraising and ensuring all fees are paid. Some clubs are luckier to be blessed with people who are better suited to these positions. If you do pay, it is wise just not to spend on any Jo blo. Get right people into the club who will give a bit back and embrace the club, do your homework before signing players.