Rnd 10 - Port v Eagles- Post game

[Booney]

I think that you will find "us lot" have already moved on from the "PAM does not exist anymore" debate

Well **** me......I for one am tickled pink, pig in shit type happy that you've hung around long enough to fill us in on the finer points!

Well, purveyor of all knowledge, you reference :

The Port Adelaide Football Club running around the AFL is known as the Port Adelaide Power

When it actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Club. For those who don't understand, "Power" is a nick name, like the "Redlegs" for Norwood. They are, in reality, not The Norwood Redlegs Football Club. Ergo, The Port Adelaide Football Club.

You also state :

The team currently running around in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Power Reserves.

When, in actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Clubs SANFL side, which, granted, is mainly filled by Port Adelaide AFL listed players who at that given time are not playing AFL. That side, with the nickname of the "Magpies" is not known as the Port Adelaide Power Reserves in ANY official capacity. Unless of course you count punters opinions on here as something resembling "official".

It's not what you know ( or think you know ) but it's how you explain it. Sorry matt35, there's many sides to this debate and it's one that will never, ever be settled in full.

Now, off to the whinge thread and the game discussion can continue.

[RB]

You also state :

The team currently running around in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Power Reserves.

When, in actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Clubs SANFL side, which, granted, is mainly filled by Port Adelaide AFL listed players

Lol well thanks for clearing that one up for us. ;-)

[johntheclaret]

I think that you will find "us lot" have already moved on from the "PAM does not exist anymore" debate

Well **** me......I for one am tickled pink, pig in shit type happy that you've hung around long enough to fill us in on the finer points!

Well, purveyor of all knowledge, you reference :

The Port Adelaide Football Club running around the AFL is known as the Port Adelaide Power

When it actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Club. For those who don't understand, "Power" is a nick name, like the "Redlegs" for Norwood. They are, in reality, not The Norwood Redlegs Football Club. Ergo, The Port Adelaide Football Club.

You also state :

The team currently running around in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Power Reserves.

When, in actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Clubs SANFL side, which, granted, is mainly filled by Port Adelaide AFL listed players who at that given time are not playing AFL. That side, with the nickname of the "Magpies" is not known as the Port Adelaide Power Reserves in ANY official capacity. Unless of course you count punters opinions on here as something resembling "official".

It's not what you know ( or think you know ) but it's how you explain it. Sorry matt35, there's many sides to this debate and it's one that will never, ever be settled in full.

Now, off to the whinge thread and the game discussion can continue.

Fair point. Shouldn't have this debate in the game thread.

[holden78]

No, there was a Port Adelaide Football club playing as the Magpies, just as there is in 2014. *yawns*

Let's try again *sigh*
The Port Adelaide Football Club running around the AFL is known as the Port Adelaide Power.
The Port Adelaide, formerly known as the Port Adelaide Magpies, that was running around in the SANFL until last year no longer exists.
The team currently running around in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Power Reserves.
They are the Port Adelaide Power Reserves because the majority of their players are listed with the AFL club the Port Adelaide Power.
These players are not quite good enough or are in the process of rehabilitation and therefore must play for the Port Adelaide Power 2nd string. Also known as a Reserve side, which is a common term known throughout many sports.
Except of course to a few deluded people that stubbornly refuse to accept that their beloved Port Adelaide Magpies no longer exists.

Port Adelaide Power can try to badge their reserve team however they like but the fact of the matter is that the independent SANFL club known as the Port Adelaide Magpies no longer exists.

The sooner you guys can accept that fact the sooner we can all move on and focus our despise on the Port Adelaide Power Reserves. And remember, it isn't our fault that the AFL club Port Adelaide Power decided they didn't want to retain an independent SANFL side and opted to get rid of the Port Adelaide Magpies in favour of their own Port Adelaide Power Reserve side.

If anything, if I was a Port Adelaide Magpies fan, I'd be as pissed off as all the other SANFL fans at what has happened by allowing Reserve teams into our league.

Alternatively you can always deny, deny, deny

I'd say the sooner YOU LOT MOVE ON will be a more pivotal moment.

The irony is you try to make matt35 look like some sort of idiot with your explanation.

I think that you will find "us lot" have already moved on from the "PAM does not exist anymore" debate, which isn't really a debate at all, and it is the usual few Port supporters who don't seem able to move on.

The reality is the old PAM is no more. Getting the Power Reserve team to run around in the famous Prison Bar Guernsey and call them the Magpies is purely an attempt by PP to retain the PAM supporter base.

This clearly hasn't happened judging by the fall in crowds this year as many PAM supporters, who are not necessarily also PP supporters, stay away.
Port Adelaide were the greatest football club in SANFL history. They won more premiership, broke more records and had more fans (probably because they won more flags, every one likes a winner ), than any other club. I'd actually go as far as saying it is the ultimate insult to all genuine PAM supporters and the SANFL itself, for PP to use the once great name and colours of PAM in the way they are doing. Many SANFL PAM supporters obviously feel the same.

Now if you're referring to the "No AFL Reserves in the SANFL" debate, then I don't think you or anyone else has the right to say "move on".
Most SANFL supporters don't want AFL Reserves playing in the SANFL. You can roll out that old "you voted for it" line but you know very well most clubs voted yes despite the protestations from their fans.

If you are a PAFC fan then maybe what is happening to the SANFL isn't of much relevance, and therefore you can't understand what all the fuss is about. I suspect 90% of Port Power fans have no interest in the SANFL and never have had, especially those under 25, it doesn't make it any less relevant to the genuine SANFL supporters.

As for trying to make Matt look like an idiot. From his post *yawn* , it was clear he hadn't grasped the reality and when people seem to struggle grasping something then it seems logical to break it down and explain it in the simplest way. It usually works for most.

Excellent post!
Let me clear something up right now... WE DIDN'T VOTE FOR THIS ABORTION OF A COMP! And even if all the SANFL clubs had of voted NO, the SANFL rules state that decisions must be made for what's in the interest of SA footy not the clubs, and it's this point that meant Olsen, Whicker and Davies were always going to be able to howl down the No Gayfl opposition.
NO Finals for the PRO'S is about all we can now hope for as money will dictate the two Cancers are around and aren't going away with this SANFL leadership group

[human_torpedo]

Im glad every Port Reserves and Crows reserves post game thread becomes a 'NO AFL IN THE SANFL' debate..

Seriously, if your not posting about the game that the thread is relating too, then take your arguements elsewhere to a thread where its relevant..

[Dog Day Afternoon]

Im glad every Port Reserves and Crows reserves post game thread becomes a 'NO AFL IN THE SANFL' debate..

Seriously, if your not posting about the game that the thread is relating too, then take your arguements elsewhere to a thread where its relevant..

Personnaly I like the fact that every Crows or Port thread becomes a "NO AFL IN THE SANFL" thread.

It shows that we are maintaining our rage, that this issue will not just go away and that each game cannot be treated as a normal game.

While I don't think there is any hope of reverting to the 8 non-AFL researves teams I do think that the SANFL should remedy the situation as far as possible within the parameters available - step 1 Port must be on the same footing as the Crows.

[johntheclaret]

I think that you will find "us lot" have already moved on from the "PAM does not exist anymore" debate

Well **** me......I for one am tickled pink, pig in shit type happy that you've hung around long enough to fill us in on the finer points!

Well, purveyor of all knowledge, you reference :

The Port Adelaide Football Club running around the AFL is known as the Port Adelaide Power

When it actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Club. For those who don't understand, "Power" is a nick name, like the "Redlegs" for Norwood. They are, in reality, not The Norwood Redlegs Football Club. Ergo, The Port Adelaide Football Club.

You also state :

The team currently running around in the SANFL is the Port Adelaide Power Reserves.

When, in actual reality, it is the Port Adelaide Football Clubs SANFL side, which, granted, is mainly filled by Port Adelaide AFL listed players who at that given time are not playing AFL. That side, with the nickname of the "Magpies" is not known as the Port Adelaide Power Reserves in ANY official capacity. Unless of course you count punters opinions on here as something resembling "official".

I know this. As does everyone else. I was using the names Power and Magpies for definition.
But hey if you want to believe that the team running around the SANFL today is the same club as last year the you go ahead.

As they say, just because you put a dog in a stable it doesn't make it a horse.