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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby johntheclaret » Thu Jul 03, 2014 10:29 am

Dogwatcher wrote:"The inclusion of the two AFL based clubs in the SANFL competition has challenged the thinking and the preparation of the existing SANFL Clubs. It has brought supporters to the games who might otherwise not be there." - Mark Mickan

Really?

To be fair he is right on both points.
Not everyone involved with the SANFL thinks that having two AFL Reserve sides is a bad thing. The North hierarchy take this viewpoint as far as I am aware.
And there are maybe 100 or so Crows supporters who rock up to games that probably wouldn't if the Crows Reserves weren't in the SANFL.

What he fails to note is that at each game there is maybe 300+ less supporters than there was last year and overall attendances and memberships are down on previous years. Most of the Crows supporters get in for free and the net effect is likely to be in the negative come the year end reports.

I can see the cartoon though........ Mickan as Pinnochio, with Trigg as Giseppi pulling the strings, whilst his little wooden nose gets longer and longer with each word, "The inclusion of the two AFL based clubs in the SANFL competition has challenged the thinking and the preparation of the existing SANFL Clubs. It has brought supporters to the games who might otherwise not be there"
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Aerie » Thu Jul 03, 2014 12:56 pm

matt35 wrote:Well said Mickan and West Adelaide! More proof that the sook threads on here represent a parallel universe.


Obviously we are in the minority - but put yourself in the shoes of a supporter who sees their SANFL team the same way an AFL supporter sees their AFL team.

Now imagine that next season the AFL are bringing in two new teams to "lift the standard of the competition and create more interest".

One team will be known as Victoria and wear the traditional Big V - playing out of the MCG. What a great history they have.

The other team will be known as the Allies and will only play away games. They are the team for all Australians.

These two teams get to pick 24 players each, alternatively in a draft so it is fair for both of them, from any of the AFL teams at the end of season 2014, in preparation for 2015.

Obviously there will be injuries, so they will need some top up players.

The Big V will choose their 15 players, but will only be able to pay them $5,000 per game. Except for one player over 28 who they can pay as much as they like.

The Allies will get given the worst rookies in the land from AFL clubs to do with as they please. They will also only be able to be paid $5,000 per game, except for one player over 28 who they can pay as much as they like.

Would AFL supporters have a problem with that?

Now going back to being an SANFL supporter who sees their SANFL team the same way an AFL supporter sees their AFL team. We have been able to put up with plenty of changes to the competition over the last 24 years - including a drop in general public interest and coverage. We have seen AFL listed players play most of the season for our team and then pull out of finals because the "season is too long" - whether they were original home grown or otherwise. We have seen our best players get drafted to the AFL at the end of a season, never to see them again. All of that was accepted as we knew the SANFL had a place and could not compete with the attraction of the AFL.

The changes in 2014 to the SANFL are the straw that has broken the camels back.

I want to watch my Eagles every weekend because it is something I have done since my Dad took me to games in a pusher. However, I don't want to watch an unfair competition. The SANFL is clearly an unfair competition. If that is the way they want to go, for the "good of football" overall, then expect friends and family in the crowd but don't expect supporters who are there because they have that connection that a person has with their sporting team, because that connection will be cut off knowing what they are watching isn't true or genuine.

Unless the Crows or Power Reserves have added an enormous amount to the bottom line of SANFL clubs and the SANFL through them competing, business wise, the SANFL needs to cut them immediately if they want to be an entity. Otherwise the whole competition is purely a pathway at the expense of about 40 fringe AFL players and their two AFL clubs. There are still ways the SANFL can be a pathway and still be a genuine, successful competition.

That is why those players were abused, Taylor Walker. It was nothing personal. When people can see and feel something that they hold dear to them being taken away unjustly they will react in different ways. It might not be right, but you can understand. The administration of the SANFL and its clubs need to smarten up quick smart, because once it is completely broken, it is completely broken. That could well be Grand Final Day this season and it may already be too late.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby LPH » Thu Jul 03, 2014 1:14 pm

Aerie wrote:
Unless the Crows or Power Reserves have added an enormous amount to the bottom line of SANFL clubs and the SANFL through them competing, business wise, the SANFL needs to cut them immediately if they want to be an entity. Otherwise the whole competition is purely a pathway at the expense of about 40 fringe AFL players and their two AFL clubs. There are still ways the SANFL can be a pathway and still be a genuine, successful competition.

The administration of the SANFL and its clubs need to smarten up quick smart, because once it is completely broken, it is completely broken. That could well be Grand Final Day this season and it may already be too late.


Great analogy with Big V & Allies.
Probably going cop grief for 'wrong thread'.

I contend that 1 Bold Above: That is EXACTLY what the VFL has become & the SANFL is about to follow suit - as predicted by many on here :evil:
2 Bold Above: For many 'diehards' it IS broken & that's why they've walked away :(
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby UK Fan » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:15 pm

Aerie wrote:
matt35 wrote:Well said Mickan and West Adelaide! More proof that the sook threads on here represent a parallel universe.


Obviously we are in the minority - but put yourself in the shoes of a supporter who sees their SANFL team the same way an AFL supporter sees their AFL team.

Now imagine that next season the AFL are bringing in two new teams to "lift the standard of the competition and create more interest".

One team will be known as Victoria and wear the traditional Big V - playing out of the MCG. What a great history they have.

The other team will be known as the Allies and will only play away games. They are the team for all Australians.

These two teams get to pick 24 players each, alternatively in a draft so it is fair for both of them, from any of the AFL teams at the end of season 2014, in preparation for 2015.

Obviously there will be injuries, so they will need some top up players.

The Big V will choose their 15 players, but will only be able to pay them $5,000 per game. Except for one player over 28 who they can pay as much as they like.

The Allies will get given the worst rookies in the land from AFL clubs to do with as they please. They will also only be able to be paid $5,000 per game, except for one player over 28 who they can pay as much as they like.

Would AFL supporters have a problem with that?

Now going back to being an SANFL supporter who sees their SANFL team the same way an AFL supporter sees their AFL team. We have been able to put up with plenty of changes to the competition over the last 24 years - including a drop in general public interest and coverage. We have seen AFL listed players play most of the season for our team and then pull out of finals because the "season is too long" - whether they were original home grown or otherwise. We have seen our best players get drafted to the AFL at the end of a season, never to see them again. All of that was accepted as we knew the SANFL had a place and could not compete with the attraction of the AFL.

The changes in 2014 to the SANFL are the straw that has broken the camels back.

I want to watch my Eagles every weekend because it is something I have done since my Dad took me to games in a pusher. However, I don't want to watch an unfair competition. The SANFL is clearly an unfair competition. If that is the way they want to go, for the "good of football" overall, then expect friends and family in the crowd but don't expect supporters who are there because they have that connection that a person has with their sporting team, because that connection will be cut off knowing what they are watching isn't true or genuine.

Unless the Crows or Power Reserves have added an enormous amount to the bottom line of SANFL clubs and the SANFL through them competing, business wise, the SANFL needs to cut them immediately if they want to be an entity. Otherwise the whole competition is purely a pathway at the expense of about 40 fringe AFL players and their two AFL clubs. There are still ways the SANFL can be a pathway and still be a genuine, successful competition.

That is why those players were abused, Taylor Walker. It was nothing personal. When people can see and feel something that they hold dear to them being taken away unjustly they will react in different ways. It might not be right, but you can understand. The administration of the SANFL and its clubs need to smarten up quick smart, because once it is completely broken, it is completely broken. That could well be Grand Final Day this season and it may already be too late.


Great post.

Again, any disagreement with an AFL fan on this issue means you are immediately a biased idiot according to them. They clearly aren't though, its all altruism on their behalf.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby tipper » Thu Jul 03, 2014 2:37 pm

UK Fan wrote:
Aerie wrote:
matt35 wrote:Well said Mickan and West Adelaide! More proof that the sook threads on here represent a parallel universe.


Obviously we are in the minority - but put yourself in the shoes of a supporter who sees their SANFL team the same way an AFL supporter sees their AFL team.

Now imagine that next season the AFL are bringing in two new teams to "lift the standard of the competition and create more interest".

One team will be known as Victoria and wear the traditional Big V - playing out of the MCG. What a great history they have.

The other team will be known as the Allies and will only play away games. They are the team for all Australians.

These two teams get to pick 24 players each, alternatively in a draft so it is fair for both of them, from any of the AFL teams at the end of season 2014, in preparation for 2015.

Obviously there will be injuries, so they will need some top up players.

The Big V will choose their 15 players, but will only be able to pay them $5,000 per game. Except for one player over 28 who they can pay as much as they like.

The Allies will get given the worst rookies in the land from AFL clubs to do with as they please. They will also only be able to be paid $5,000 per game, except for one player over 28 who they can pay as much as they like.

Would AFL supporters have a problem with that?

Now going back to being an SANFL supporter who sees their SANFL team the same way an AFL supporter sees their AFL team. We have been able to put up with plenty of changes to the competition over the last 24 years - including a drop in general public interest and coverage. We have seen AFL listed players play most of the season for our team and then pull out of finals because the "season is too long" - whether they were original home grown or otherwise. We have seen our best players get drafted to the AFL at the end of a season, never to see them again. All of that was accepted as we knew the SANFL had a place and could not compete with the attraction of the AFL.

The changes in 2014 to the SANFL are the straw that has broken the camels back.

I want to watch my Eagles every weekend because it is something I have done since my Dad took me to games in a pusher. However, I don't want to watch an unfair competition. The SANFL is clearly an unfair competition. If that is the way they want to go, for the "good of football" overall, then expect friends and family in the crowd but don't expect supporters who are there because they have that connection that a person has with their sporting team, because that connection will be cut off knowing what they are watching isn't true or genuine.

Unless the Crows or Power Reserves have added an enormous amount to the bottom line of SANFL clubs and the SANFL through them competing, business wise, the SANFL needs to cut them immediately if they want to be an entity. Otherwise the whole competition is purely a pathway at the expense of about 40 fringe AFL players and their two AFL clubs. There are still ways the SANFL can be a pathway and still be a genuine, successful competition.

That is why those players were abused, Taylor Walker. It was nothing personal. When people can see and feel something that they hold dear to them being taken away unjustly they will react in different ways. It might not be right, but you can understand. The administration of the SANFL and its clubs need to smarten up quick smart, because once it is completely broken, it is completely broken. That could well be Grand Final Day this season and it may already be too late.


Great post.

Again, any disagreement with an AFL fan on this issue means you are immediately a biased idiot according to them. They clearly aren't though, its all altruism on their behalf.


i believe the current terms used to describe the "against" afl people are "old, set in their ways, nimbys"...... although i could be wrong. that was posted by someone who claims to be on the fence :roll: , so those that are really for the reserves sides may use other words entirely ;)
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Apachebulldog » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:14 pm

Jim05 wrote:GAGF Mickan



I will second that he is just another Crow Suck also referred to as a TOADY !!!
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Apachebulldog » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:18 pm

johntheclaret wrote:
matt35 wrote:Well said Mickan and West Adelaide! More proof that the sook threads on here represent a parallel universe.

Honestly Matt.
Are you a wind up or are you actually serious.
Surely you can see that crowds are suffering. It isn't rocket science, just look at the matchday attendances.

Of course if you are just a wind up merchant posting to get a reaction then well done. However what is the motive and what is the point as most logical posters can actually see through the bullshit.

I'm not making a judgement. Who am I to do that but if you are playing on genuine SANFL fans whose emotions are running high when it comes to their league just to get a laugh, then good luck to ya. Enjoy the moment



JTC ireckon you will find that maybe some of the posters on this site are actually SANFL Commission and Crow infiltrators/plants trying to spread the good word of this fantastic new adventure we are all on !!!!
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby bennymacca » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:22 pm

i have never claimed to be on the fence with the opinions here, which i think border on hyperbole all too often and still think the sky is falling in.

i am still on the fence as to whether the afl clubs are a good thing in the SANFL though. probably bordering on thinking they are a negative. still think you guys have overreacted though.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby UK Fan » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:42 pm

bennymacca wrote:i have never claimed to be on the fence with the opinions here, which i think border on hyperbole all too often and still think the sky is falling in.

i am still on the fence as to whether the afl clubs are a good thing in the SANFL though. probably bordering on thinking they are a negative. still think you guys have overreacted though.


You have made saying nothing whilst writing a thousand posts into an art-form.

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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby bennymacca » Thu Jul 03, 2014 5:45 pm

no worries, happy to help
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Dogwatcher » Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:00 pm

bennymacca wrote:i have never claimed to be on the fence with the opinions here, which i think border on hyperbole all too often and still think the sky is falling in.

i am still on the fence as to whether the afl clubs are a good thing in the SANFL though. probably bordering on thinking they are a negative. still think you guys have overreacted though.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby RB » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:39 pm

bennymacca wrote:still think you guys have overreacted though.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby bennymacca » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:42 pm

That's fine you guys have your opinion I'll have mine.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby RB » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:45 pm

Wait, I thought you were a fence sitter?
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 7:47 pm

back on topic

Tex was complaining about a crows membership being thrown at the crows players but it was North Adelaides fault????
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:38 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:back on topic

Tex was complaining about a crows membership being thrown at the crows players but it was North Adelaides fault????


Personally I'd be blaming the Crows members that threw it!
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby whufc » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:50 pm

Wedgie wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:back on topic

Tex was complaining about a crows membership being thrown at the crows players but it was North Adelaides fault????


Personally I'd be blaming the Crows members that threw it!


Stop being so logical, I would probably blame the Richmond supporters I saw one do it once in 2003
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Jim05 » Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:56 pm

whufc wrote:
Wedgie wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:back on topic

Tex was complaining about a crows membership being thrown at the crows players but it was North Adelaides fault????


Personally I'd be blaming the Crows members that threw it!


Stop being so logical, I would probably blame the Richmond supporters I saw one do it once in 2003

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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby Dogwatcher » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:48 am

Those falling crowds and falling memberships mean nothing.
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Re: Well played North supporters

Postby maxyoz » Fri Jul 04, 2014 11:55 am

Wedgie wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:back on topic

Tex was complaining about a crows membership being thrown at the crows players but it was North Adelaides fault????


Personally I'd be blaming the Crows members that threw it!


Rumour I heard from a bloke who wasn't there, he was told by a bloke who wasn't there that Tex, who wasn't there, leant his tickets to a North supporter who was too cheap to pay.

The North supporter was just returning them after the game, he couldn't find Tex, because he wasn't there, but knew that one of the players would return them on his behalf.

Typical uncouth North supporter who was too lazy to take an extra 6 steps and hand them over, so he just pelted them from where he stood - so I've been told by somebody not there.


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