by bennymacca » Sun Aug 24, 2014 4:58 pm
by Q. » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:02 pm
carey wrote:Q. wrote:Clinton Young has been good this year.
Surely you kid?
by whufc » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:04 pm
bennymacca wrote:Name me a side with 18 a graders?
The rest of your list minus betts I probably agree with. To put betts in there is utterly ridiculous though.
by Jim05 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:05 pm
by whufc » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:07 pm
Jim05 wrote:Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time
by bennymacca » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:13 pm
Jim05 wrote:Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time
by whufc » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:32 pm
bennymacca wrote:Jim05 wrote:Can only comment on what of seen over the 2 times we played the Crows at SANFL level but there is some dead set duds running around in the reserves. Crouch and Kerridge look ok but Reilly and Porps are cooked, Johnston has gone backwards a million miles and guys like Graham, Siggins, Ellis-Yeoman, Petrenko, McKernan, Atkins are genuine D graders. Out of the AFL side Martin and Thompson are no good and Rutten is retiring. Doesnt appear too much depth there at all. Have a good top 4-5 but falls away rapidly after that. Crows are with a bunch of sides who wont win a flag in the next 5 years and will be lucky to play meaningful finals in that time
This is our bigger problem imo and I agree with you. Jaensch is an afl standard footballer imo but he shouldn't be a walk up start as he is now.
by saintal » Sun Aug 24, 2014 6:18 pm
by TEX07 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 8:02 pm
by bennymacca » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:27 pm
by stan » Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:16 am
bennymacca wrote:Name me a side with 18 a graders?
The rest of your list minus betts I probably agree with. To put betts in there is utterly ridiculous though.
by Dogwatcher » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:26 am
carey wrote:Q. wrote:Clinton Young has been good this year.
Surely you kid?
by gadj1976 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:26 am
by Sorry Dude » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:38 am
carey wrote:I agree Betts output has been ok but $600k a year vs output? I'm undecided.
Kick 50 a year for 2-3 years in a row and I'll deem him a hit
by Sorry Dude » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:54 am
whufc wrote:bennymacca wrote:I think all of the three you named have had good seasons.
Still will never be anything more than B Graders at absolute best.
Good season in a very average side isnt saying alot about their ability.
by woodublieve12 » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:55 am
by bennymacca » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:02 am
Sorry Dude wrote:carey wrote:I agree Betts output has been ok but $600k a year vs output? I'm undecided.
Kick 50 a year for 2-3 years in a row and I'll deem him a hit
But you also have to have a look at how many he gives off and sets up in general play. As a Crows supporter I was a bit dissapointed with him (considering what we invested), but looking at his numbers I quickly changed my tune.......a little.
Going forward he will need to add a lot more for it to be deemed a win.
by whufc » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:05 am
bennymacca wrote:Sorry Dude wrote:carey wrote:I agree Betts output has been ok but $600k a year vs output? I'm undecided.
Kick 50 a year for 2-3 years in a row and I'll deem him a hit
But you also have to have a look at how many he gives off and sets up in general play. As a Crows supporter I was a bit dissapointed with him (considering what we invested), but looking at his numbers I quickly changed my tune.......a little.
Going forward he will need to add a lot more for it to be deemed a win.
what does a hell of a lot more mean? currently 9th in the afl for goals, and second for small forwards. does he need 70 goals a season?
more goals assists? he is currently ranked third in the AFL behind robbie gray and breust.
i think he gets marked incredibly harshly. the people that say he drifts in and out of games fail to recognise that every small forward does that.
he has been more consistent than chad wingard for instance, and nobody would accuse wingard of having a bad season.
by Dogwatcher » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:07 am
by bennymacca » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:00 am
Dogwatcher wrote:No, because it's Wingard's third season and he's on half the money.
However, I agree that Betts is judged harshly.
He is probably as effective as Milne was over his career and as a small forward he was highly regarded.
Small forwards generally do get judged harshly, but the provide unpredictability, which is a good weapon to have.
Wouldn't mind seeing Betts spend a little more time as a mid, provide some magic through there occasionally, like Didak did for the Pies.
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