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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby whufc » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:24 pm

Yep there is now so much more luck involved in sorting out the SANFL ladder.

If you can 'catch' the AFL reserves side on certain weekends due to their injury list, upcoming AFL fixtures, AFL current ladder postition etc etc you can almost get a 3-4 advantage on other sides.

At least when you get lucky with the proper SANFL clubs its due to them making the SANFL premiership the number 1 priority, not another side in another competition.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby CUTTERMAN » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:44 pm

bennymacca wrote:
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bennymacca wrote:Well summerton is similar to callinan. Got no issue with one player.

You won't find many u21 that have never been in the sanfl system at any time.

I think the crows current model with an academy side for topups instead of getting them from anywhere (ie uni) would work ok.

You're wrong. Sluttery is similar to Callinan as their over 27(?) year old player that doesn't have to come under the $400/game payment. They tried to weasel around the rules at the start of the season and use it for $ommerton as Sluttery is working for PAFC.
And this is my point, they are already trying to cheat the rules, and are, so no matter what checks and balances they put in place it will be cheated and the SANFL have to police it.
As for the crowds dropping if they aren't allowed to play finals, it's not like Adelaide supporters are going and Ports crowds aren't that great either. So big ******* deal! **** them off!


ok, fair enough. not entirely over all of the port rules, they seem confusing. getting both port and the crows operating under exactly the same rules seems to be would eliminate a lot of the concerns here. not all of them obviously, there are people here that are going to be against it no matter what, but it would go some way to making it more even

It wouldn't eliminate anything. When you've got the ability to have 18-23 AFL players competing against none you can dress it up with all the spin you want, in the end it's blatantly unfair to run a competition like this. There wouldn't be one AFL supporter who would accept this situation for their club in the AFL so why should we accept it here?
F*** around with stupid ideas to even things up all you want, they will never make up for the fact that it's bull$hit.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby CUTTERMAN » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:48 pm

In my opinion they have 1-2 years to really sort this farce out and give the 8 clubs some respect back or it will be f***ed for good if not already.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Tech1 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:52 pm

CUTTERMAN wrote:What's the point of limiting them to U21 players etc etc when they can field a whole team of f***ing AFL players?
Seriously.


I know what you mean but that's the point though, they have enough quality in there AFL list, they don't need anymore mature players, it limits the chance of bending of the rules as port have this year, might also turn out to be a positive for SANFL clubs if players can only potentially be at the AFL reserves teams for 3-5 years, after that they could potentially be good recruiting options for the 8 SANFL clubs, also probably restricts there recruiting options along with having them have to recruit from inside the state and can't have been on an SANFL list for the past two years, basically they would be picking kids that have slipped through the gaps and it would probably minimize any effect it could have with the 8 SANFL clubs recruiting. Personally i can't ever see the league agreeing to the 8 real SANFL clubs having age restrictions but that's just my opinion.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby dedja » Sun Aug 24, 2014 3:53 pm

Too late already, can't unscramble an egg.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Aerie » Sun Aug 24, 2014 9:44 pm

It is a simple solution.

Top Up Players:
Port and Crows each take 8 1st year out of U18's and 8 2nd year out of u18's as top up players from any of the SANFL clubs. The ones that don't get drafted. They continue to train and play Reserves with their SANFL club when not training or playing with AFL teams. If they don't get drafted, they go back full time with their SANFL clubs after two years.

Crows and Power exit SANFL and play in VFL. All games either as curtain raisers at Adelaide Oval or in Victoria.

Every one is a winner. Of course they can afford it.

Only thing is this would go against AFL policy of turning every State League in to a local development league for AFL.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Maddawg » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:38 am

Aerie wrote:It is a simple solution.

Top Up Players:
Port and Crows each take 8 1st year out of U18's and 8 2nd year out of u18's as top up players from any of the SANFL clubs. The ones that don't get drafted. They continue to train and play Reserves with their SANFL club when not training or playing with AFL teams. If they don't get drafted, they go back full time with their SANFL clubs after two years.

Crows and Power exit SANFL and play in VFL. All games either as curtain raisers at Adelaide Oval or in Victoria.

Every one is a winner. Of course they can afford it.

Only thing is this would go against AFL policy of turning every State League in to a local development league for AFL.


Regardless of the thoughts of many with the 8 League directors meeting last week without inviting Olsen I think its fair to say they have probably made some decisions and we will probably see those implemented at the end of the final series. I and a lot of other swill be very keen to see the outcome, however I don't think I will be happy.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Dogwatcher » Mon Aug 25, 2014 8:43 am

bennymacca wrote:yeah pretty much. havent followed the port situation as closely but as a crows fan, i would expect anything to be done for the betterment of the AFL team first, then the SANFL team second. I expect them to always try and win, but with the caveat of player management. I think thats what buddha was trying to say too.

now what i do expect is for the SANFL teams to play the season out and not send all of their players off to surgery early. they have given their guarantee that they will do that, but I guess we will have to see whether that happens or not.


Interesting:

A) I expect them to do what is best for their national league side.

B) I would expect them to play the season out and not send their players off for surgery.

And, right there, is the contradictory nature of this situation.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby bennymacca » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:01 am

Yeah I agree there is a contradiction there. I guess it is a small compromise to the afl team but a necessary one imo
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Dogwatcher » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:02 am

It's still good for the comp, though.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby CUTTERMAN » Mon Aug 25, 2014 9:33 am

I would be surprised if Port didn't try to win the SANFL flag providing it didn't compromise the AFL prospects. It would give them cause to push the Magpie lie further into their members and give them more inane catch lines for the moronic throng to avoid answering questions put to them.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby saintal » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:23 am

whufc wrote:Yep there is now so much more luck involved in sorting out the SANFL ladder.
If you can 'catch' the AFL reserves side on certain weekends due to their injury list, upcoming AFL fixtures, AFL current ladder postition etc etc you can almost get a 3-4 advantage on other sides.
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I kept some basic stats on the make-up of the Reserves sides (these numbers disregard the ‘showdown’ games, and Callinan was not considered a top-up player). They more or less point out the obvious, although admittedly it’s only a small sample of results:

With the Ravens, they were 6-4 when they fielded between 2 and 4 top-ups, and 1-5 when they fielded 5 or more.

With the Power, they were 8-2 when they fielded 5 or 6 top ups, and 2-4 when they fielded 7 or more.

The highest number of tops up per club were 9 for the Ravens (loss v WA) and 12 for the Power (loss v SA).

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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:46 am

CUTTERMAN wrote:I would be surprised if Port didn't try to win the SANFL flag providing it didn't compromise the AFL prospects. It would give them cause to push the Magpie lie further into their members and give them more inane catch lines for the moronic throng to avoid answering questions put to them.


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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 25, 2014 10:51 am

Apachebulldog wrote:All you guys are talking in riddles and tongues.

Cutterman i concur with you whole heartedly !!

The eight SANFL clubs should grow some cojones and P### EM OFF !!!!!!


Some of them were so badly mismanaged for a period of time they saw the money on offer as compensation enough to make the changes they voted for.

I can only assume the supporters of the 6 clubs who voted yes are as vocal to their club managment as they are to supporters of the Magpies?

Have you taken the opportunity to call your boards, CEO's and management "cheating ****", or do you save those sorts of heroics for the supporters who pay their hard earned to simply go along and support their team?

I'd imagine half the spinless jelly fish who have abused Magpie fans over the course of this year wouldn't have the level of intelligence required to obtain memberships, vote at the AGM's or indeed have gone out of their way to make their boards day at the football as uncomfortable as they have for black and white supporters.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby CUTTERMAN » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:35 am

Mismanaged clubs like Port Magpies and Port Power?
Booney, you make it sound like Power reserve supporters are innocent of dishing out any abuse at games this year, anyone who has been to watch their team play the Power reserves would know very well it's not the case.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Dog Day Afternoon » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:49 am

Booney wrote:
Apachebulldog wrote:All you guys are talking in riddles and tongues.

Cutterman i concur with you whole heartedly !!

The eight SANFL clubs should grow some cojones and P### EM OFF !!!!!!


Some of them were so badly mismanaged for a period of time they saw the money on offer as compensation enough to make the changes they voted for.

I can only assume the supporters of the 6 clubs who voted yes are as vocal to their club managment as they are to supporters of the Magpies?

Have you taken the opportunity to call your boards, CEO's and management "cheating ****", or do you save those sorts of heroics for the supporters who pay their hard earned to simply go along and support their team?

I'd imagine half the spinless jelly fish who have abused Magpie fans over the course of this year wouldn't have the level of intelligence required to obtain memberships, vote at the AGM's or indeed have gone out of their way to make their boards day at the football as uncomfortable as they have for black and white supporters.



Got to agree with you Booney :shock: To me its very simple: members vote in Boards. Boards nominate SANFL delegates. Delegates vote YES or NO.

If you want to change the system become a member and vote/lobby your Board members. - If they don't do what you want vote them out!
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 25, 2014 11:50 am

CUTTERMAN wrote:Mismanaged clubs like Port Magpies and Port Power?
Booney, you make it sound like Power reserve supporters are innocent of dishing out any abuse at games this year, anyone who has been to watch their team play the Power reserves would know very well it's not the case.


Absolutely, both sides dish it out at any match, but banter and spectator interaction is one thing, out and out abuse towards someone who simply chooses to pay to watch their team play has, IMO, gone too far this year. The heroics offered by some goes well beyond anything that could be considered acceptable. Unless you have very, very low standards.
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The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby dedja » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:18 pm

Case in point.

On Saturday at the Bay, I was in the Cricketer's Club and had a few, so rounded a few up on the balcony to sing a horribly out of tune and very loud rendition of A Tiger For Me late in the last quarter.

Got the usual reaction from the Port crowd about being spooners and so we might have suggested they look up at the scoreboard. And so on it went.

All had a laugh and no-one got hurt. One Port bloke came up to the balcony and wanted to shake hands, which we gratefully obliged.

I don't understand why they would follow Port and likewise they don't get why we support the Bays.

That's a big part of why I still go to the footy.
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby bennymacca » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:33 pm

dedja wrote:Case in point.

On Saturday at the Bay, I was in the Cricketer's Club and had a few, so rounded a few up on the balcony to sing a horribly out of tune and very loud rendition of A Tiger For Me late in the last quarter.

Got the usual reaction from the Port crowd about being spooners and so we might have suggested they look up at the scoreboard. And so on it went.

All had a laugh and no-one got hurt. One Port bloke came up to the balcony and wanted to shake hands, which we gratefully obliged.

I don't understand why they would follow Port and likewise they don't get why we support the Bays.

That's a big part of why I still go to the footy.


light hearted banter is very different from abuse.

one thing i hate as a crows supporter is other people bagging the other team, saying they hate a player, etc etc. just dont see any need for it.

i know i am talking about AFL, but when I went up to brisbane the other week to watch the crows, i had almost the most fun i have had at a game, because i could yell like an idiot and everyone just thought it was par for the course. the best one we came up with was "go lyons. jared lyons. he'll kick the winning score" as well as just inanely yelling eeeeeddddddiiiieee when he went anywhere near it. people right in front of us ended up moving haha. but we ended up having great banter with a lions guy behind us who knew we were only supporting out team and that we were having fun. just cant stand people bagging other's teams. dont see any reason for it.

a lot of other people hate port, but personally i would rather beat them in a grand final than have them bottom and the crows (or centrals) top. that would be so much sweeter!
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Re: The 2014 season no AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby JK » Mon Aug 25, 2014 12:49 pm

I don't think there were any Crows supporters to be bagged on Saturday lol .. I counted 3 - A bloke with his lad and 2 ladies ordering Champagne on the Hill (first time I've seen that in about 15 years of watching footy from up there) who's entire conversation was spent trying to work out which quarter it was :lol:

TBH Ive heard the odd story of some abuse that sounds OTT, but I personally haven't seen any supporters abused .. No doubt some lines have been crossed, but I think some Crows supporters are overreacting because they've become used to (or dont know any different) going to the footy and having %90 of the supporters there.
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