by cracka » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:02 pm
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:55 pm
cracka wrote:I agree Echunga are a better option for central div than TV, my opinion based on junior numbers, A grade results & club facilities. I also don't think Echunga should be relegated, the only reason I would say relegate them is coz of legsmans constant hatred of the HFL on here.
I'm thinking that due to the unforseen (hindsight is a wonderful thing) result of Echunga coming from 4th to win the flag but finishing bottom of the points table that
1. Next year as a one off central div be an 11 team comp
2. The team that finishes bottom of a revised points system is automatically relegated
3. If the top team in country (also decided on a points system across the whole club) nominates to come up then the bottom 2 in central are relegated.
4. The points are worked out on LGIL's formula A grade win is 10 points, B's 4, S/C 3 & J/C 2. It needs to be weighted more towards A grade results IMO
5. Only issue is whether finals games count towards the points. Would hate another umforseen debacle like this year. This year was a rarity but if it happened again F***.
Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:56 pm
cracka wrote:I agree Echunga are a better option for central div than TV, my opinion based on junior numbers, A grade results & club facilities. I also don't think Echunga should be relegated, the only reason I would say relegate them is coz of legsmans constant hatred of the HFL on here.
I'm thinking that due to the unforseen (hindsight is a wonderful thing) result of Echunga coming from 4th to win the flag but finishing bottom of the points table that
1. Next year as a one off central div be an 11 team comp
2. The team that finishes bottom of a revised points system is automatically relegated
3. If the top team in country (also decided on a points system across the whole club) nominates to come up then the bottom 2 in central are relegated.
4. The points are worked out on LGIL's formula A grade win is 10 points, B's 4, S/C 3 & J/C 2. It needs to be weighted more towards A grade results IMO
5. Only issue is whether finals games count towards the points. Would hate another umforseen debacle like this year. This year was a rarity but if it happened again F***.
Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.
by cracka » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:04 pm
Legs Man wrote:cracka wrote:I agree Echunga are a better option for central div than TV, my opinion based on junior numbers, A grade results & club facilities. I also don't think Echunga should be relegated, the only reason I would say relegate them is coz of legsmans constant hatred of the HFL on here.
I'm thinking that due to the unforseen (hindsight is a wonderful thing) result of Echunga coming from 4th to win the flag but finishing bottom of the points table that
1. Next year as a one off central div be an 11 team comp
2. The team that finishes bottom of a revised points system is automatically relegated
3. If the top team in country (also decided on a points system across the whole club) nominates to come up then the bottom 2 in central are relegated.
4. The points are worked out on LGIL's formula A grade win is 10 points, B's 4, S/C 3 & J/C 2. It needs to be weighted more towards A grade results IMO
5. Only issue is whether finals games count towards the points. Would hate another umforseen debacle like this year. This year was a rarity but if it happened again F***.
Anyway, that's what I'm thinking.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Cracka!
For the record - I do NOT hate the HFL - just ask that some direction is provided by the governing body.
As you have read in my previous posts my comments are subjective from past and present situations that the league has governed over.
Not once have I stated that I hate the HFL - but on numerous occasions have pointed out situations that have left a lot to be desired as a league.
This is not only from my Echunga point of view but the overall situation for all clubs e.g.
Changing finals grounds with limited notice.
Having a points system for clubs that varies from club to club with no apparent reasoning.
Having a club shield that is different to relegation points that provides total confusion for all involved.
Allowing a constitution to be in place that has anomalies which now mean a legal situation that no one in our league needs.
My comments are my own and directly made with the competition as a whole at heart.
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:17 pm
no1rangler wrote:I wonder if Echunga would've still kicked up this much of a stink if they got rolled in the prelim>
Sure they seem to have the media and people outside of the HFL on their side - but they knew exactly what needed to be achieved to stay in Div 1 and as a CLUB they failed.
And know to challenge the legality of the interpretation of the points towards club shield - Give it a spell!! They played 2 guns against bridgewater in the b grade to try and gain some club points during the year.....
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:46 pm
by no1rangler » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:59 pm
Look Good In Leather wrote:no1rangler wrote:I wonder if Echunga would've still kicked up this much of a stink if they got rolled in the prelim>
Sure they seem to have the media and people outside of the HFL on their side - but they knew exactly what needed to be achieved to stay in Div 1 and as a CLUB they failed.
And know to challenge the legality of the interpretation of the points towards club shield - Give it a spell!! They played 2 guns against bridgewater in the b grade to try and gain some club points during the year.....
So your suggestion is that they should have left all their eggs in the single basket of winning two finals? Perhaps they wanted to increase their chances of survival by getting the points to be safe earlier.
It is a long stretch to say, in hindsight, that they dropped some players to meet a made up deadline of the 23rd of August. There were no guarantees they were going to win two finals, let alone the premiership. Finishing 4th on the table, you could have suggested that they should have won the first week (which on its own was not enough), but anything after that was going to need a big effort.
They effectively needed a miracle to occur in order to remain in Central - that miracle did occur.
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:32 pm
by no1rangler » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:39 pm
by The Panther » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:49 pm
by overthehill » Wed Oct 01, 2014 3:55 pm
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:02 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:52 pm
no1rangler wrote:Look Good In Leather wrote:no1rangler wrote:I wonder if Echunga would've still kicked up this much of a stink if they got rolled in the prelim>
Sure they seem to have the media and people outside of the HFL on their side - but they knew exactly what needed to be achieved to stay in Div 1 and as a CLUB they failed.
And know to challenge the legality of the interpretation of the points towards club shield - Give it a spell!! They played 2 guns against bridgewater in the b grade to try and gain some club points during the year.....
So your suggestion is that they should have left all their eggs in the single basket of winning two finals? Perhaps they wanted to increase their chances of survival by getting the points to be safe earlier.
It is a long stretch to say, in hindsight, that they dropped some players to meet a made up deadline of the 23rd of August. There were no guarantees they were going to win two finals, let alone the premiership. Finishing 4th on the table, you could have suggested that they should have won the first week (which on its own was not enough), but anything after that was going to need a big effort.
They effectively needed a miracle to occur in order to remain in Central - that miracle did occur.
Youre missing the point LGIL and you've even said it yourself (Perhaps they wanted to increase their chances of survival by getting the points to be safe earlier.) That's exactly right - they knew there were in the mix to get relegated because as a club they knew minor round total points counted - not finals!!
by R. White » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:13 pm
by Dutchy » Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:21 pm
Legs Man wrote:Would be a pretty hollow victory not playing against the best in the competition for Central clubs.
by chopper7 » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:11 pm
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:32 pm
Dutchy wrote:Legs Man wrote:Would be a pretty hollow victory not playing against the best in the competition for Central clubs.
Lofty could argue that also this year, they took their medicine as a club in 2014 and will no doubt be stronger going back up in 2015, maybe Echunga should do the same?
by Yellow & Black » Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:44 pm
by Legs Man » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:01 pm
by Look Good In Leather » Wed Oct 01, 2014 8:09 pm
chopper7 wrote:Not a chance the HFL will drop the interleague game Legsman especially after the success in drew this year. We will still have the bye for the Country Champs, which the hills have no say in because it is inforced by the community football league. An 11 team comp will bring in two extra byes and will drag the season out to long.
Suck it up Echunga, do exactly what Mt Lofty have done and succeeded across ALL grades this year.
Completely off this regalation talk cause I'm sure we are all sick of reading it. As mentioned Ryan Magahey to coach Onkas, not just coach but still play? I can't see the good out of him playing being mid 30s but he should get the doggies back on the right track coaching wise.
Any early news on who will coach Mt Barker next year?
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