Club Payments Crackdown

[LaughingKookaburra]

It's not really that hard. Jo if I saw you at the footy club each Saturday and gave you $700 each Saturday night to go out and get pissed then there is stuff all anyone can do about it.

Alternatively if I owned a business and needed to keep records then I would just hire paid bloke as a consultant. What he consults has **** all to do with the footy league. He might have to pay Tax but you can make a portion of it as non taxable travel costs.

[jo172]

It's not really that hard. Jo if I saw you at the footy club each Saturday and gave you $700 each Saturday night to go out and get pissed then there is stuff all anyone can do about it.

Alternatively if I owned a business and needed to keep records then I would just hire paid bloke as a consultant. What he consults has **** all to do with the footy league. He might have to pay Tax but you can make a portion of it as non taxable travel costs.

And the rules if written half-way competently (I can think of a professional who they could pay to do the job) could catch that situation in the event the Club's Executive/Coach knew about this.

You're very unlikely to do this unless you have been procured by the Club or an Officer to do so.

Also, additionally, talk is that Players will be de-registered/life banned if they accept more money than the salary cap for playing football. There is a risk inherent in the player accepting this money. If/when someone gets caught, who do you think they'll point the finger at in hope of mitigation?

Yep, the footy club who knew all along what you were doing because they either procured, or blessed you doing so.

[jo172]

Just to be clear, I'm not arguing that what is proposed is a loophole free system or even that a loophole free system is possible.

I am confident that it is possible to narrow those loopholes as far as possible.

It is also a total non sequitur to say that a salary cap should not be enforced because its operation will potentially (and probably) be imperfect.

[marbles]

So fevola will only get 1000 a game

[marbles]

Mitchell park will be screwed!

Just pay triple petrol compensation

We will hopefully be one of the beneficiaries marbles as you very well know.

There would certainly be a massive influx of players back to the saafl

[human_torpedo]

Needs to be a different payment structure for country and SAAFL leagues that's for sure.. Im not sure the 'Fuel allowance' is adequate enough.. The 'salary cap' will be open for rorting as it will be near on impossible to scrutinise to a degree to prove a breach

[GWW]

Will be interesting to see how many quality players move to a Victorian club, and the overall effect it has on football across the state.

[Jim05]

Will be interesting to see how many quality players move to a Victorian club, and the overall effect it has on football across the state.

Yep, have to laugh at these people who think all the players will flood back to the SAAFL

[marbles]

Will be interesting to see how many quality players move to a Victorian club, and the overall effect it has on football across the state.

Yep, have to laugh at these people who think all the players will flood back to the SAAFL

Yerr right they're all gonna pack up their Adelaide homes and move to victoria where they know nobody but might make 300 extra week, rather than just driving down the street to their local club for a kick n catch in the saafl

#glorifiedamateurs

[marbles]

Needs to be a different payment structure for country and SAAFL leagues that's for sure.. Im not sure the 'Fuel allowance' is adequate enough.. The 'salary cap' will be open for rorting as it will be near on impossible to scrutinise to a degree to prove a breach

Country clubs would hav to cut gate fees, cos the gate charge wouldn't be worth watching local nuffies

[Jim05]

Needs to be a different payment structure for country and SAAFL leagues that's for sure.. Im not sure the 'Fuel allowance' is adequate enough.. The 'salary cap' will be open for rorting as it will be near on impossible to scrutinise to a degree to prove a breach

Country clubs would hav to cut gate fees, cos the gate charge wouldn't be worth watching local nuffies

Is that why ammos dont charge?

[daysofourlives]

Maybe the ammo clubs should move into the 21st century and they wouldnt have to try and nobble the country clubs behind the banner of the so called "CFL".
Blind freddie can see where all this is coming from. The ammo's whinge about losing a few top end players for bigger cash to country clubs but yet they get probably 10 times the amount of country kids come to them when they move to Adelaide for Uni or work.

[marbles]

Id say its a tax department venture who are tired of enormous funds going unaccounted for, which corrupts their calculations towards injection of funds back into the economy, to a point where in the sports department the nation has a gas leak of funds and such a leak has become so large that it requires maintenance and needs to be sealed, contained

The ammo's couldn't give a stuff what players go where, for it is already an empire of nearly 70 football clubs all residing within a 20km radius, compared to a country's 1 club per every 400kms

The saafl does know it could take the step towards gate fees at div 1 games, but due to the rotational factor when clubs are relegated or promoted, not all clubs hav a home ground with sealed fences and clubs from div 2 who win the upgrade to div 1, would be immediately be burdened by the cost of constructing full perimeter fencing to their facility so the motion is rejected because not only clubs but also councils will not fund paid entry events on an ongoing basis and the logistics that come with it

Country clubs may therefore require a higher salary cap to stimulate the weekends economy, country councils would also be in uproar to this crackdown cos gatherings to the towns may decrease, due to poorer quality football games on show?

[oyster]

Don't know why anyone is worried. Just wont happen. There is no way the country clubs will listen to the SACFL and abide by these ridiculous rules.

It's pure fantasy to suggest that country clubs will let these laws get brought in. If they did, it would be purely lip service to appease the SACFL and then the clubs would work around the rules, to please themselves. It's just fantasy to think these laws will work.

I'd be absolutely amazed if some of the country leagues did not just walk away entirely from the SACFL, either now, or in the next few years and then all players are worth 0 points going in and 0 points going out. That would hurt the SANFL and SAAFL even more than currently, as country clubs have the ability to entice players with even more of a financial lure than now, so it would mean even more pain if players recruited were worth 0 points into country leagues and with the same or larger amounts of $$$. The clubs can then decide what they spend, or they might work with their local league on a salary cap that is far more equitable, than these rules. Are these rules considered a restraint of trade???

Good luck policing this. There are about 50 different ways around this, that clubs have already discussed out in the bush in the first half of the year, and probably another 50 ways they will beat the system with, when those who are clever enough have the time to work on more ways around the system. Unfortunately football has to have administrators. Many are fantastic, most don't have a clue. Fortunately the country clubs have far smarter men than many of the administrators. The cocky's on the farms, have to think on their feet and are adapt to making quick and lateral decisions on the run.

Even if the leagues did not walk away this year, I'm convinced they will next year, or the year after, if these rules take effect. No-one has cared to think about how small towns will lose their identity and club supporters will become factionalised, with a lack of sporting success to tight knit communities. Country communities thrive on sporting success

[Dogwatcher]

http://www.bunyippress.com.au/does-the-cap-fit/

[Feenix]

So many people saying it wont work. Do you think the current system is broken or do you think everything is fine and that nothing should be done?

[morell]

I just don't understand the logic of - they're too hard to catch or police, therefore let's have carte blanche.

It's like being stranded and starving on a desert island and choosing to not eat cockles because it's not a medium rare steak from Gaucho's.

Its not perfect, no-one is saying it is, and there will be clubs that cheat (and it is cheating) and get around the system ...

But it's a start and its better than nothing. Eat your damn cockles.

[cracka]

Would love to see this topic merged with the one in the country footy forum (Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy) and have the users on either side go at it.

[oyster]

Can confirm that one league in a westerly direction from Adelaide, have already met with club presidents. This league have apparently decided to walk away from the SACFL if the rules as they are now written, are implemented. Word is that it could be a snowball effect and others could also go. If one leaves others will also possibly go. That means that all players are 0 points going out and 0 going in. That's a relief that country footy won't be effected.

[jo172]

For what it's worth, the assertions coming from opponents of a salary cap that the chief agitators are the Amateur Clubs is off the mark.

For 90% of Amateur Clubs it doesn't affect them one way or the other and for most Amateur Clubs the drain of players to the country is at most a minor treacle.

The prime agitator is the SANFL and League Clubs whose competition is being hurt far more by "big money" country (and city) offers.

The salary cap is their way of dealing with the drain from SANFL reserves without confronting the more serious underlying issues facing that competition.