Re: Points System Is Crucifying Country Footy

[Tiger83]

Tiger 83-Wrong. A marquee player can only be paid $1000 per game so clubs cannot spend all their cap on this player.The other interesting thing is that if the definition of a marquee player is strictly enforced a lot of clubs may struggle to recruit one, meaning the most they can pay per player is $500 plus traveling.

While i didnt say one player would get ALL of the clubs weekly cap themselves, i would argue that $1000 out of a maximum of $3000 per week is pretty close... Doesnt leave much cash for anyone else.. FWIW, i believe it should never be about money coz im from the old school, but like it or not, footy clubs are a business these days and need to be run like one or they will unfortunately fold. The populations of regional areas are dwindling more ecery year.

My proposal would be that clubs would be allocated concessions (Points or $$$) based on their geographical location in a radius from Adelaide. The further you are from Adelaide, the smaller your population (for the most part), so the more points or cash u get to recruit players. There is no foolproof plan but its the best i can think of..apart from giving every club equal points every year.

[Look Good In Leather]

FWIW, i believe it should never be about money coz im from the old school

That must be bloody old school - money has been a factor in country football for decades

[Tiger83]

FWIW, i believe it should never be about money coz im from the old school

That must be bloody old school - money has been a factor in country football for decades

Unfortunately it has yes, but im the sort that was never good enough to get paid anyway..

[WellPlayed#9]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

[Look Good In Leather]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

[Dogwatcher]

But there are shed loads of blokes out there getting paid who aren't achievers. They're just average footballers.

[heater31]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

If you are semi professional clubs then you should have no issues paying funds into players nominated super funds and withhold the appropriate amount of tax and issue payment summaries at the end of each financial year......

[Jim05]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

If you are semi professional clubs then you should have no issues paying funds into players nominated super funds and withhold the appropriate amount of tax and issue payment summaries at the end of each financial year......

Quite a few clubs do this already

[cracka]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

I would think a semi professional club or league would mean every player gets paid, like SANFL, not just some of the players. Plus as previously mentioned tax & superannuation paid & group certificates send at EOFY.

[WellPlayed#9]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

The AFL, SANFL et al have salary caps, whats your point?

[Look Good In Leather]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

I would think a semi professional club or league would mean every player gets paid, like SANFL, not just some of the players. Plus as previously mentioned tax & superannuation paid & group certificates send at EOFY.

The SANFL is semi-professional too, not all players get paid - the U/18s and below don't generally get payments.
Professional (ie AFL) is where it is an actual job.

[Mr Beefy]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

If you are semi professional clubs then you should have no issues paying funds into players nominated super funds and withhold the appropriate amount of tax and issue payment summaries at the end of each financial year......

clubs contract players' services, not employ them, so treat them the same as any other contractor

[cracka]

Is it correct that a playing coach & assistant coaches can only be paid max $250 a game but an unlimited amount to coach. Gonna be a lot of assistant coaches playing in country leagues if true

[One Club Player]

I just dont get what clubs fear about this proposal. Surely no club wants to pay players do they? Its only done because its become an accepted practice under the assumption that if a club doesnt spend money, they wont be succesful. Sure its questinable how well such a thing can be enforced properly so that competition is fair, but given how player payments have ballooned in recent years, clubs should be relieved that their is perhaps a circuit breaker.

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

If you are semi professional clubs then you should have no issues paying funds into players nominated super funds and withhold the appropriate amount of tax and issue payment summaries at the end of each financial year......

clubs contract players' services, not employ them, so treat them the same as any other contractor

So all these recruits are going to go out and get ABN's and invoice clubs to avoid withholding tax? Either way its pretty messy. Glad I'm not a club treasurer any more.

[Mr Beefy]

We are semi-professional clubs. There is no harm in rewarding our achievers. Maybe there should be no money in sport at all.

If you are semi professional clubs then you should have no issues paying funds into players nominated super funds and withhold the appropriate amount of tax and issue payment summaries at the end of each financial year......

clubs contract players' services, not employ them, so treat them the same as any other contractor

So all these recruits are going to go out and get ABN's and invoice clubs to avoid withholding tax? Either way its pretty messy. Glad I'm not a club treasurer any more.

Well, they are semi-professional so it shouldn't be a problem.....

[heater31]

If clubs don't want to play by those rules then they stick with the proposed system after all they are only amateur sports clubs.....

[PuttingBStorest]

So all these recruits are going to go out and get ABN's and invoice clubs to avoid withholding tax? Either way its pretty messy. Glad I'm not a club treasurer any more.[/quote]
Well, they are semi-professional so it shouldn't be a problem.....[/quote]


There is actually a fair bit more to this as well, because under current tax law even if you are employed under an ABN, if more than 50% of your job is considered "labour" then the employer (the Footy Club in this instance) is still required to make superannuation contributions (providing you are exceeding the minimum income threshold) AND also cover you for WorkCover (which then opens another can or worms because does that mean a player can make a claim when injured??) - its a lot more complex than people think and would result in a considerable amount of time and work for someone at the Footy Club (even more if player is already self employed and using that same ABN for the footy income as well and therefore has a GST registration/return as well)!!!!!!!

[WellPlayed#9]

So all these recruits are going to go out and get ABN's and invoice clubs to avoid withholding tax? Either way its pretty messy. Glad I'm not a club treasurer any more.

Well, they are semi-professional so it shouldn't be a problem.....[/quote]


There is actually a fair bit more to this as well, because under current tax law even if you are employed under an ABN, if more than 50% of your job is considered "labour" then the employer (the Footy Club in this instance) is still required to make superannuation contributions (providing you are exceeding the minimum income threshold) AND also cover you for WorkCover (which then opens another can or worms because does that mean a player can make a claim when injured??) - its a lot more complex than people think and would result in a considerable amount of time and work for someone at the Footy Club (even more if player is already self employed and using that same ABN for the footy income as well and therefore has a GST registration/return as well)!!!!!!![/quote]

If plays pay tax then they can claim associated expenses. Never considered work cover though! Thats an interesting proposition!

[Legs Man]

Every league affiliated should be represented when this type of overbearing decision is made.
It is simply a SANFL saviour situation that has been instituted by representatives that have one agenda - save our SANFL reserves comp and keep the SAAFL strong.
It is also unfortunate that one person in particular on the board will lead and orchestrate the direction taken which is not with the best interest of the competition they supposedly are representing at heart - and I am sure we all know the primary SANFL allegiance.
I wonder if most of the mooted change was made over another long long lunch!!!
Each of the Country leagues are quite different in makeup whereas a one size fits all approach has been taken which again shows a total lack of understanding.
Don't get me wrong as I agree that some changes / tinkering is required but the way it is occurring and the fallout that will ensue is not in the best interests of country footy.

[Shoot it]

Well said Legs Man - don't agree with a lot you normally post - but this was well thought and said.