Snags wrote:Angle vale will dominate in our junior competition. The worry is there A and B grade.
I don't think so.
by Lightning McQueen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:45 am
Snags wrote:Angle vale will dominate in our junior competition. The worry is there A and B grade.
by Lightning McQueen » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:48 am
Mr Beefy wrote:Whats the difference between Virginia and Angle Vale?
by Officejet » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:00 pm
by Greggy Gregginson » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:11 pm
by nos » Thu Aug 13, 2015 6:22 pm
Greggy Gregginson wrote:norm11 wrote:Mythical Creature wrote:magpieeagle wrote:I see reading the Producer tonight, Angle Vale FC admission gaining some pace for season 2016
God i hope not
Why not?????
Without trying to be exclusive, I'd be against Angle Vale joining the APFL just on the grounds of it being a COUNTRY football league.
I have nothing against the Angle Vale Football Club but if the APFL goes down that path, it may just end up as a northern based metropolitan league.
I have no idea what other paths the APFL can go down to introduce other clubs that are not a part (or basically a part) of metropolitan Adelaide, which is exactly why I'm not a member of the board but I hope our status and atmosphere as a country footy league is maintained for the future of our country towns.
by bennymacca » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:24 pm
by Greggy Gregginson » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:33 pm
by Lightning McQueen » Fri Aug 14, 2015 9:24 am
Greggy Gregginson wrote:Not saying they can't join the comp, just saying that personally I would prefer they didn't.
Also, it may be considered a country town but it is vastly different to many country towns further from Adelaide.
I know of people around Balaklava, Port Wakefield, Lochiel and Mallala that would be happy to join other competitions and I don't think Angle Vale joining would help that. Again, I have nothing against the Angle Vale Football Club and wish them the best of luck with wherever they play in the future.
Also, these are just my opinions and should be interpreted that way and not as those of my footy club or of anyone else
by RooShootOhh » Fri Aug 14, 2015 12:59 pm
by OnSong » Fri Aug 14, 2015 3:47 pm
RooShootOhh wrote:From an Association point of view, there are two possible directions this may head... To look at those you examine the existing teams first...
Balaklava - Good population, good junior numbers for the future of the comp, solid senior group already, local area sustainable, no risk of the town diminishing in the immediate future GOOD POSITION
Hamley Bridge - Small population, one ok junior side but not enough number to count on this for future, minimal senior representation, already a small town, with no immediate plans for growth DANGEROUS POSITION
Hummocks - Ok populations for the combined areas, ok juniors now, seniors improving but will rely heavily on recruited players for sustainability, Pt Wakefield will always be a busy area, but we already see that on locals alone (last year as an example) it is could prove difficult to compete. SEMI DANGEROUS POSITION
Mallala - Great Population, always good numbers and solid juniors, a core senior group that has been able to retain multiple 'imports' for multiple years, local area sustainable, good future for their area GREAT POSITION
Two Wells - Growing Population - Really good junior numbers and program, Senior group strong and still relatively young across the board, local area growing GREAT POSITION
United - Small Population, average junior numbers and results similar to Hamley, Local senior group ok but some are nearing the end of their playing days so rely on recruits to remain competitive and/or challenge, future growth of the area unlikely DANGEROUS POSITION
Virginia - Good population, junior numbers a huge concern esp given the population, had a great senior group that have stuck together for a while, but in 5 years if some/most are gone, who replaces them, the area itself is in great shape, urban sprawl will only add numbers MIDDLE ROAD POSITION
SUMMARY - Balak, Mallala and Two Wells are in really good positions, but 3 teams dont make a comp. Virginia are in a good position with their senior footy, but their juniors are a huge concern and i dont think they have their full compliment of netty teams either (but dont quote me). Hamley, United and Hummocks are the concerns (all at different levels of course). All have minimal numbers or depth in local senior ranks, and the ones that are there may be getting towards the back end of their careers. All 3 over the last two years have shown, to differing levels, that when relying on mainly locals, they are on a hiding to nothing, when a good local contingent are available with MULTIPLE 'imports', then they can compete. But when team are solely relying on imports to remain competitive, that is not a good sign.
So
Option 1 - Add Angle Vale in, bringing more numbers into the competition can't be a bad thing since EVERY country comp is struggling with participation rates. It is not out of the way in terms geographical location, and with high junior participation levels, it may filter into the rest of the comp where some teams are experiencing low numbers. Comp goes to 8, possible allows for an even draw not relying on byes, should be seen as a positive. If a team like Hamley folds, you are still left with a 7 team comp, so while not great to lose a club, the comp itself remains in a similar position but with higher junior numbers. Remembering that junior number will be the reason the comp continues in the future.
Option 2 - Change nothing. But what that does is put pressure on EVERYONE. Hamley have a long road ahead, with a non existant local playing base at the moment, they either have to wait to their juniors filter through (which numbers aren't that high anyway) or constantly rely on players from outside the town (imports in one form or another). Lets just say hypothetically that doesnt work out, comp is down to 6. Then lets say United (not picking on them, just an example) have 5 or 6 existing locals retire, the sugggested salary cap and points system restrict them from recruiting good numbers, then they are in the position like Hamley are now (and results this year have shown when all their imports have been out injured they have been belted even if not Hamley like), then in a few years they fold (and I could have used Hummocks as an example given similar demographics), down to 5 team... = COMP GONE .... what then...
Well I see it like this,
Virginia - perfect fit for the Ammo's solid senior numbers who could easily go up the divisions, no pressure of junior numbers which they are struggling with.
Mallala and Two Wells - Both enter the Barossa league, good juniors, strong seniors, strong netty, close proximity to the area, ticks all the boxes
Balak - Join the North Eastern league, same as above, but geographically better suited to the NE comp.
Hummocks - If sustainable, potentiall join the Yorkes league, travel wise would be relitively similar, strength of the comp may suit. If not sustainable, then potentially fold.
Hamley and United - Given population issues, potential of area growth being minimal, ability to recruit players to the club limited by the cap and points sytem, they both find themselves (at some stage but not immediate in United case) unsustainable. They could potentially merge together and attempt to join another league, I doubt the Barossa would take a third team, maybe too far away from the NEFL... not looking too bright if the comp goes bust.
So everyone has to ask themselves, if they sit around and do little and hope the association stays as it is because thats the way we like it, then they will be in for a big shock, the APFL (with other country leagues I may add) will die a slow death.
by Mythical Creature » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:08 pm
RooShootOhh wrote:From an Association point of view, there are two possible directions this may head... To look at those you examine the existing teams first...
Balaklava - Good population, good junior numbers for the future of the comp, solid senior group already, local area sustainable, no risk of the town diminishing in the immediate future GOOD POSITION
Hamley Bridge - Small population, one ok junior side but not enough number to count on this for future, minimal senior representation, already a small town, with no immediate plans for growth DANGEROUS POSITION
Hummocks - Ok populations for the combined areas, ok juniors now, seniors improving but will rely heavily on recruited players for sustainability, Pt Wakefield will always be a busy area, but we already see that on locals alone (last year as an example) it is could prove difficult to compete. SEMI DANGEROUS POSITION
Mallala - Great Population, always good numbers and solid juniors, a core senior group that has been able to retain multiple 'imports' for multiple years, local area sustainable, good future for their area GREAT POSITION
Two Wells - Growing Population - Really good junior numbers and program, Senior group strong and still relatively young across the board, local area growing GREAT POSITION
United - Small Population, average junior numbers and results similar to Hamley, Local senior group ok but some are nearing the end of their playing days so rely on recruits to remain competitive and/or challenge, future growth of the area unlikely DANGEROUS POSITION
Virginia - Good population, junior numbers a huge concern esp given the population, had a great senior group that have stuck together for a while, but in 5 years if some/most are gone, who replaces them, the area itself is in great shape, urban sprawl will only add numbers MIDDLE ROAD POSITION
SUMMARY - Balak, Mallala and Two Wells are in really good positions, but 3 teams dont make a comp. Virginia are in a good position with their senior footy, but their juniors are a huge concern and i dont think they have their full compliment of netty teams either (but dont quote me). Hamley, United and Hummocks are the concerns (all at different levels of course). All have minimal numbers or depth in local senior ranks, and the ones that are there may be getting towards the back end of their careers. All 3 over the last two years have shown, to differing levels, that when relying on mainly locals, they are on a hiding to nothing, when a good local contingent are available with MULTIPLE 'imports', then they can compete. But when team are solely relying on imports to remain competitive, that is not a good sign.
So
Option 1 - Add Angle Vale in, bringing more numbers into the competition can't be a bad thing since EVERY country comp is struggling with participation rates. It is not out of the way in terms geographical location, and with high junior participation levels, it may filter into the rest of the comp where some teams are experiencing low numbers. Comp goes to 8, possible allows for an even draw not relying on byes, should be seen as a positive. If a team like Hamley folds, you are still left with a 7 team comp, so while not great to lose a club, the comp itself remains in a similar position but with higher junior numbers. Remembering that junior number will be the reason the comp continues in the future.
Option 2 - Change nothing. But what that does is put pressure on EVERYONE. Hamley have a long road ahead, with a non existant local playing base at the moment, they either have to wait to their juniors filter through (which numbers aren't that high anyway) or constantly rely on players from outside the town (imports in one form or another). Lets just say hypothetically that doesnt work out, comp is down to 6. Then lets say United (not picking on them, just an example) have 5 or 6 existing locals retire, the sugggested salary cap and points system restrict them from recruiting good numbers, then they are in the position like Hamley are now (and results this year have shown when all their imports have been out injured they have been belted even if not Hamley like), then in a few years they fold (and I could have used Hummocks as an example given similar demographics), down to 5 team... = COMP GONE .... what then...
Well I see it like this,
Virginia - perfect fit for the Ammo's solid senior numbers who could easily go up the divisions, no pressure of junior numbers which they are struggling with.
Mallala and Two Wells - Both enter the Barossa league, good juniors, strong seniors, strong netty, close proximity to the area, ticks all the boxes
Balak - Join the North Eastern league, same as above, but geographically better suited to the NE comp.
Hummocks - If sustainable, potentiall join the Yorkes league, travel wise would be relitively similar, strength of the comp may suit. If not sustainable, then potentially fold.
Hamley and United - Given population issues, potential of area growth being minimal, ability to recruit players to the club limited by the cap and points sytem, they both find themselves (at some stage but not immediate in United case) unsustainable. They could potentially merge together and attempt to join another league, I doubt the Barossa would take a third team, maybe too far away from the NEFL... not looking too bright if the comp goes bust.
So everyone has to ask themselves, if they sit around and do little and hope the association stays as it is because thats the way we like it, then they will be in for a big shock, the APFL (with other country leagues I may add) will die a slow death.
by OnSong » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:34 pm
by Mythical Creature » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:44 pm
OnSong wrote:I accept perhaps the analysis of United may have missed the mark but perhaps a bit harsh on someone simply participating in debate.
The analysis of Mallala as a viable township is also off the mark if you consider the way the locals are rallying there at the moment on the back of the hospital closure and impending shift of council's administration.
Thought it was a well-presented opinion but to label it "a load of shit" is a bit rough.
Credit to the response though but without knowing exactly what's going on at every other club, it's hard to be right on all facets of each one.
by OnSong » Fri Aug 14, 2015 5:52 pm
Mythical Creature wrote:OnSong wrote:I accept perhaps the analysis of United may have missed the mark but perhaps a bit harsh on someone simply participating in debate.
The analysis of Mallala as a viable township is also off the mark if you consider the way the locals are rallying there at the moment on the back of the hospital closure and impending shift of council's administration.
Thought it was a well-presented opinion but to label it "a load of shit" is a bit rough.
Credit to the response though but without knowing exactly what's going on at every other club, it's hard to be right on all facets of each one.
Fair call but I think its a bit rough for someone to express his / her opinions on the league as a whole and how it is suffering when they were possibly a part of nearly killing a club, then portraying the whole league is in strife. My main point is that if Hamley weren't so poorly mismanaged we wouldn't even be talking of the (faint I hope) possibility of losing a side and the need to replace them.
by RooShootOhh » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:04 pm
Mythical Creature wrote:OnSong wrote:I accept perhaps the analysis of United may have missed the mark but perhaps a bit harsh on someone simply participating in debate.
The analysis of Mallala as a viable township is also off the mark if you consider the way the locals are rallying there at the moment on the back of the hospital closure and impending shift of council's administration.
Thought it was a well-presented opinion but to label it "a load of shit" is a bit rough.
Credit to the response though but without knowing exactly what's going on at every other club, it's hard to be right on all facets of each one.
Fair call but I think its a bit rough for someone to express his / her opinions on the league as a whole and how it is suffering when they were possibly a part of nearly killing a club, then portraying the whole league is in strife. My main point is that if Hamley weren't so poorly mismanaged we wouldn't even be talking of the (faint I hope) possibility of losing a side and the need to replace them.
by Mythical Creature » Fri Aug 14, 2015 6:11 pm
RooShootOhh wrote:Mythical Creature wrote:OnSong wrote:I accept perhaps the analysis of United may have missed the mark but perhaps a bit harsh on someone simply participating in debate.
The analysis of Mallala as a viable township is also off the mark if you consider the way the locals are rallying there at the moment on the back of the hospital closure and impending shift of council's administration.
Thought it was a well-presented opinion but to label it "a load of shit" is a bit rough.
Credit to the response though but without knowing exactly what's going on at every other club, it's hard to be right on all facets of each one.
Fair call but I think its a bit rough for someone to express his / her opinions on the league as a whole and how it is suffering when they were possibly a part of nearly killing a club, then portraying the whole league is in strife. My main point is that if Hamley weren't so poorly mismanaged we wouldn't even be talking of the (faint I hope) possibility of losing a side and the need to replace them.
Your response is great, and it's great t hear United are in good shape..
My post wasn't saying that's what will happen, what I want to happen or why it may happen.
I was merely giving two possible options...
Given the argument of whether AV come in or not was being debated, I was just expressing possibilities other than just saying whether I like it not.
And your response of united position is exactly why bringing AV in would be the best of the two paths I mentioned. Yes they may not be super competitive in the seniors early (they may be also) but with them bring large numbers of juniors to the comp would be the best out come for everyone right?
So it's not about replacing anyone it's actually about making the comp stronger number wise overall.
But be open minded, every country league will be facing the same problems as the APFL, and if you think anything less, well...
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