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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby holden78 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:42 pm

Exactly why the Cancers shouldn't get their practice games in our finals / major round ever...... OBVIOUS really :roll:
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:53 pm

holden78 wrote:Exactly why the Cancers shouldn't get their practice games in our finals / major round ever...... OBVIOUS really :roll:


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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Jim05 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:03 pm

bennymacca wrote:So in lieu of kicking the teams out, what is the solution to this problem? Moving the SANFL/WAFL seasons so that the finals coincide, or occur a week later than the AFL finals like it used to in the SANFL?

Kicking them out is the only option.
No way should we do any moving to accomodate them further.
Would rather the comp fold than continue down the current path
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Sep 01, 2015 2:07 pm

wild dog wrote:
LPH wrote:Press Release from the WAFL:

It is fantastic for WA Football that both Fremantle and West Coast are in the top two places on the AFL ladder and that their WAFL Partnering Clubs, Peel Thunder and East Perth, have also qualified for the WAFL Finals. It is an important component of the Partnering Model that success can be shared among all four clubs.
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It is also important to note that any challenges identified throughout the year, including the scenario referred to above, will be thoroughly assessed at the conclusion of the season in line with the WAFC’s commitment to an annual review of the Partnering Model.


No doubt a similar response would be heard here should this occur to the PAPs or Cows... :roll:


Interesting use of the word "scenario" which normally would mean a possible outcome or postulation. This is a current situation, not scenario.

So if Peel get smashed and go no further, the WAFC look at each other and shrug their shoulders and do their review, is there any recognition that the year was totally compromised due to an unforseen scenario.

In actual fact, both the SANFL and the WAFL "hope" that the multiple scenarios where either AFL team can totally compromise the finals series does not eventuate. There is no planning, just hope or dumb luck that it works out, and manage the PR as best they can if the failure eventuates. If the AFL reserves teams do tank, well that's a year down the drain, the premiership is compromised but no one will remember or care in a year or 2.

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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby The analyst » Tue Sep 01, 2015 6:07 pm

bennymacca wrote:So in lieu of kicking the teams out, what is the solution to this problem? Moving the SANFL/WAFL seasons so that the finals coincide, or occur a week later than the AFL finals like it used to in the SANFL?


The problem is multi faceted.

First problem - AFL reserves teams at full strength are too strong for the semi professional SANFL/WAFL teams.

Second problem - When the AFL sides do make the finals their SANFL/WAFL sides are compromised depending on the AFL teams agenda.

First Solution - Cap the number of AFL listed players taking the field at any one time to 14. (AFL sides will complain that players are potentially missing out each week, well bad luck.)..most AFL clubs rest players during the year anyway. With 7 top up players their strength will be more comparable to the SANFL/WAFL clubs. (Stats proved that this season)

Second Solution - History is full of teams resting players before finals. SANFL clubs who have cemented top position on ladder a couple of games out from the end of the minor round have been doing this since the beginning time. So is that compromising the competition ??? Wouldn't have thought so. If the AFL teams want to make their SANFL/WAFL teams the sacrificial lamb for their AFL team so be it. They're loss. Someone else's gain.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:15 pm

Oh my

I briefly heard 5AA this arvo with Rowey and Bicks

Rowey just doesn't understand that the Crows and Port are actually RESERVES teams

had to switch stations

even the mrs understands that they are reserve teams
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby daysofourlives » Tue Sep 01, 2015 7:26 pm

Its a wonder the Crows havnt asked for special permission to partake in the SANFL finals since there AFL team will be going for at least another 2 weeks, if they win a final that will be 3 weeks without a game for any possible inclusions into the AFL side.
Wouldnt have happened under the old system for two reasons, one, the SANFL minor round would still be going in two weeks and two, potentially around hald the side would have been playing finals with their SANFL club
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby wild dog » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:21 pm

The analyst wrote:
bennymacca wrote:So in lieu of kicking the teams out, what is the solution to this problem? Moving the SANFL/WAFL seasons so that the finals coincide, or occur a week later than the AFL finals like it used to in the SANFL?


The problem is multi faceted.

First problem - AFL reserves teams at full strength are too strong for the semi professional SANFL/WAFL teams.

Second problem - When the AFL sides do make the finals their SANFL/WAFL sides are compromised depending on the AFL teams agenda.

First Solution - Cap the number of AFL listed players taking the field at any one time to 14. (AFL sides will complain that players are potentially missing out each week, well bad luck.)..most AFL clubs rest players during the year anyway. With 7 top up players their strength will be more comparable to the SANFL/WAFL clubs. (Stats proved that this season)

Second Solution - History is full of teams resting players before finals. SANFL clubs who have cemented top position on ladder a couple of games out from the end of the minor round have been doing this since the beginning time. So is that compromising the competition ??? Wouldn't have thought so. If the AFL teams want to make their SANFL/WAFL teams the sacrificial lamb for their AFL team so be it. They're loss. Someone else's gain.


I'm not sure you really understand the overall issue when you present your second solution.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Spargo » Tue Sep 01, 2015 10:36 pm

wild dog wrote:
The analyst wrote:
bennymacca wrote:So in lieu of kicking the teams out, what is the solution to this problem? Moving the SANFL/WAFL seasons so that the finals coincide, or occur a week later than the AFL finals like it used to in the SANFL?


The problem is multi faceted.

First problem - AFL reserves teams at full strength are too strong for the semi professional SANFL/WAFL teams.

Second problem - When the AFL sides do make the finals their SANFL/WAFL sides are compromised depending on the AFL teams agenda.

First Solution - Cap the number of AFL listed players taking the field at any one time to 14. (AFL sides will complain that players are potentially missing out each week, well bad luck.)..most AFL clubs rest players during the year anyway. With 7 top up players their strength will be more comparable to the SANFL/WAFL clubs. (Stats proved that this season)

Second Solution - History is full of teams resting players before finals. SANFL clubs who have cemented top position on ladder a couple of games out from the end of the minor round have been doing this since the beginning time. So is that compromising the competition ??? Wouldn't have thought so. If the AFL teams want to make their SANFL/WAFL teams the sacrificial lamb for their AFL team so be it. They're loss. Someone else's gain.


I'm not sure you really understand the overall issue when you present your second solution.

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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby saintal » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:10 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:Oh my

I briefly heard 5AA this arvo with Rowey and Bicks

Rowey just doesn't understand that the Crows and Port are actually RESERVES teams

had to switch stations

even the mrs understands that they are reserve teams


Rowe is probably following the directive to refer to them as "state league" sides rather than call them what they really are.

I did listen to 5aa for a short bit on the way home too. It was mentioned that unfortunate Port fans may have blown their hard earned $ by being forced to watch a mickey-mouse "trial" match on Saturday. Integrity is up the creek etc. The fact that two games of this nature occur every week now in the SANFL seems to be lost on the mainstream media....
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Magellan » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:36 pm

The irony is so thick you could cut it with a metaphorical knife, literally.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby johntheclaret » Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:20 am

human_torpedo wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/09/01/debate-fremantle-resting-players-nonsense/comment-page-5/#comment-4273387

An interesting take on it in this article:

"There has been some talk about Peel Thunder, Fremantle’s connector club in the WAFL, and how they’re going to be playing their first final this weekend, but will now have almost no chance to win it.

Well, for supporters of Peel, and the players and officials involved….we don’t get everything we want in this world, and sometimes life just isn’t fair. Tough."

He's right, of course. Doesn't mean it's right.


Its an interesting read. Peel have been a basket case in the WAFL for years and are basically only competitive because of the now link with Fremantle.. Its not a great look for the comp no doubt, but its happening, and could well happen here.. The logistical nightmare being that the seasons don't line up.. As in, had it been the last round of the WAFL and not a final then its still less than ideal, but not as big of an issue

Exactly the same can be said of Port Adelaide. SANFL club a basket case for years then suddenly whoa, Port Adelaide Reserves name the GF.
What a load of crap. No sober crowds are at their lowest for more than 100 years.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby LPH » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:02 am

The analyst wrote: ...
Second Solution - History is full of teams resting players before finals. SANFL clubs who have cemented top position on ladder a couple of games out from the end of the minor round have been doing this since the beginning time. So is that compromising the competition ??? Wouldn't have thought so. If the AFL teams want to make their SANFL/WAFL teams the sacrificial lamb for their AFL team so be it. They're loss. Someone else's gain.


I think you might be missing the point somewhat?

Port's 'sales pitch' to the SANFL Clubs was that they would "...(sic) play to the line regardless of the situation"
If the situation this week was Port Power (having sewn up the Minor Premiership in the AFL) & Hinkley decided to 'rest' 11 players for the trip to Perth to take on Fremantle - the 'Magpies' then would have to fill their side to play West Adelaide in the SANFL Qualifying Final with 11 kids from its Academy Team! The question here is: 'Compromise' & 'Integrity' of not only the Finals but the Competition @ large.

Basically, West Perth this week get a 'practice game' in the Qualifying Final, to prepare for Subiaco next week in the 2nd Semi.
In terms of 'Compromise' & 'Integrity' - the advantage Subiaco has EARNED by finishing Minor Premier (& getting the week off) is diminished significantly.In fact, West Perth get an advantage for NOT finishing Minor Premier - because they get to 'train' under match conditions whilst Subiaco don't.
Its a joke.
Everybody knows it, but the 'State Leagues' (& I hate that term, but that's what they have become) themselves refuse to acknowledge it - as shown by the WA Football Commission's Press Release.

Ironic too, that the Cows supporters are currently moaning about 'Integrity' & 'Compromise' in relation to North Melbourne possibly 'throwing' their game v Richmond this week, so they don't have to possibly travel to Adelaide the following week for a Final. They truely have their heads up there own arse on this issue - as it appears, do you!
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:08 am

Seems it's Adelaide Oval to blame....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 7507700333

SANFL clubs say the raging success of footy at Adelaide Oval has led to a concerning downturn in crowds at their games.

Figures released exclusively to The Advertiser show minor round attendance at SANFL matches was down by an alarming 13 per cent in 2015, and clubs dispute the theory that supporter backlash against the entry of AFL reserves teams is the cause.

Instead, they say the runaway success of footy in the city meant fans who baulked at live AFL in the later years of West Lakes had returned, causing some to desert the SANFL.

An extra 15,000-20,000 people a weekend are attending AFL in Adelaide, and SANFL clubs say some don’t have the time or money to also attend local games.

“There’s no doubt that success of Adelaide Oval has had an effect on SANFL crowds,’’ Woodville-West Torrens chief executive Peter Schwarz said.

The Eagles’ home crowds were slightly down this season despite the fact they won the minor premiership.

The league average attendance fell from 2819 in 2014 to 2453.

Crowds in 2014 were down 6.3 per cent on 2013.
SANFL general manager Adam Kelly said the cold winter had a significant impact and pointed to the fact league-wide membership was up.

“(Crowds were) impacted significantly by the cold and wet conditions,’’ said Kelly, who added crowds had been healthy in August as weather improved.

But Sturt chief executive Sue Dewing agreed with Schwarz that the Adelaide Oval upturn was a major factor.

“People are time poor and some of them just do not have the time to spend a day at Adelaide Oval for the AFL and then also attend an SANFL match,’’ she said.

Dewing said partnering with the AFL clubs, particularly Adelaide, to draw better crowds to Crows reserves games needed to be a priority in 2016.

She said using high-profile Crows players to promote local games and having them available for autograph signings and activities would boost family attendance.

Dewing also said improving the SANFL match day experience, along with engaging local communities and junior football, was vital.

Schwarz agreed community engagement was key and said holding a junior carnival at Woodville before the Eagles’ round 17 home match against Adelaide had boosted the crowd by more than 2000 to a bumper 4679.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Magellan » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:43 am

Presumably the people deserting the SANFL for the Adelaide Oval AFL experience are (a) supporters of either the Crows or Port who (b) have an allegiance to a local club as well.

“People are time poor and some of them just do not have the time to spend a day at Adelaide Oval for the AFL and then also attend an SANFL match,’’ she said.

Dewing said partnering with the AFL clubs, particularly Adelaide, to draw better crowds to Crows reserves games needed to be a priority in 2016.

She said using high-profile Crows players to promote local games and having them available for autograph signings and activities would boost family attendance.


Using high-profile Crows players to promote local games will only draw Crows fans to SANFL games. But if these fans prefer the AFL experience over the SANFL and don't have the time and money to attend both, then how will that draw them to the local comp? Moreover, getting Taylor Walker to sign autographs inside Unley Oval isn't going to bring back any die-hard Sturt fans - I'd say it's more likely to drive them further away.

It might tempt kids to bug their parents go along to the SANFL, though, which is where the Crows-Port indoctrination of the next generation of footy fans can begin at the expense of the SANFL teams.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Pseudo » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:52 am

Booney wrote:Seems it's Adelaide Oval to blame....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 7507700333
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Figures released exclusively to The Advertiser show minor round attendance at SANFL matches was down by an alarming 13 per cent in 2015, and clubs dispute the theory that supporter backlash against the entry of AFL reserves teams is the cause.


As posted elsewhere, the average attendance for 7 of the 8 clubs was lowered by games against reserves teams.

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I wonder if any of the idiots quoted in the article truly believes what they are saying, and how many are just aping what they've been told to believe?
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby tipper » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:56 am

Booney wrote:
Crowds in 2014 were down 6.3 per cent on 2013.


i realise that this part is from the article, so not blaming you Booney, but werent 2014 crowds UP on 2013?? so this blaming of adelaide oval is already proved wrong by the facts that crowds at adelaide oval, and at sanfl games are both lower this year than last?

rewriting history so that they can continue to deny that the reserves sides are a negative influence on the sanfl...... of course, admitting it would also be admitting that they were wrong.....
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby JK » Wed Sep 02, 2015 9:58 am

Pseudo wrote:I wonder if any of the idiots quoted in the article truly believes what they are saying, and how many are just aping what they've been told to believe?


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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby stan » Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:11 am

What I find incredible is that we have so many parties cliaming that the drop in attendance is always something else but not the most obvious.
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