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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Mr Beefy » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:01 pm

whufc wrote:
HH3 wrote:So would people think of the Crows as badly as they do of Kurt Tippett, for making Danger go somewhere besides where he comes from?

People say they dont like Tippett because he went to Sydney instead of the Gold Coast.

Would they not like the Crows because they make Danger go to a Melbourne club instead of Geelong.

Is this another "if the player does it, he's a dog, but it's ok for the club to do it" thing.


Surely the Crows are well within their rights to trade with whoever does them the best deal

Much like Tippett was well within his rights to go to Sydney

Free Agency is a dog eat dog world

Incorrect, they can only match offers from suitor clubs and the player needs to agree that he will accept potential offer
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby bennymacca » Tue Oct 06, 2015 1:35 pm

HH3 wrote:Thats pretty much my point. Tippett got crucified for what he did. The Crows will be praised by their fans if they make him go elsewhere.

Geelong should do whats in the best interests of their club too. Get Danger and keep their own draft picks.


the difference is tippett came out and said it was for family reasons he wanted to move, and still kept up that charade when he moved to sydney.

If danger all of a sudden nominated gold coast as his preferred club then it would be the same.
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Dutchy » Wed Oct 07, 2015 6:46 pm

Whats stopping Dangerfield going in the draft and nominating a $1.5m deal for 1 year, something that other clubs won't be able to match, then Geelong adjust a few contracts for next year so they can fit him in at that price and then once done extend his contract at a lower amount for x years?
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Jim05 » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:33 pm

Dutchy wrote:Whats stopping Dangerfield going in the draft and nominating a $1.5m deal for 1 year, something that other clubs won't be able to match, then Geelong adjust a few contracts for next year so they can fit him in at that price and then once done extend his contract at a lower amount for x years?

May be wrong but think its got to be a 2 year deal minimum but yes that can be done. Doubt they woukd head down that path though.
Could get ugly now, with the new compo laws Danger is technically a band 2 player due to his low contract price. The AFL are going to let the Crows know what compo pick he would get
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby jakovasaurus » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:34 pm

whufc wrote:
HH3 wrote:So would people think of the Crows as badly as they do of Kurt Tippett, for making Danger go somewhere besides where he comes from?

People say they dont like Tippett because he went to Sydney instead of the Gold Coast.

Would they not like the Crows because they make Danger go to a Melbourne club instead of Geelong.

Is this another "if the player does it, he's a dog, but it's ok for the club to do it" thing.


Surely the Crows are well within their rights to trade with whoever does them the best deal

Much like Tippett was well within his rights to go to Sydney

Free Agency is a dog eat dog world


The crows should be able to do that. But unfortunately cannot.

That's the biggest problem I have with afl's bullshit attempt at free agency. Players still have to sign off on trades.


Players hold clubs to ransom with trades, dictating who clubs can talk to.
This whole "nominating club of choice" should just be that, instead it's "this is where I'm going, not gonna sign off on anything else, work it out with them and only them"
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby TEX07 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:15 am

Jim05 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:Whats stopping Dangerfield going in the draft and nominating a $1.5m deal for 1 year, something that other clubs won't be able to match, then Geelong adjust a few contracts for next year so they can fit him in at that price and then once done extend his contract at a lower amount for x years?

May be wrong but think its got to be a 2 year deal minimum but yes that can be done. Doubt they would head down that path though.
Could get ugly now, with the new compo laws Danger is technically a band 2 player due to his low contract price. The AFL are going to let the Crows know what compo pick he would get


This could almost force their hand in matching any offer too. If the AFL say based on his lower than expected contract offer they are only going to get a say 2nd round pick now, they wont have much choice but to match the offer. It seems so much simpler if they just said the free agent can go where he likes after 8 years but if that club wants him then they must give something up.
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:19 am

I think that's the key, the club getting the player should give something up.

In this case, the AFL could say to Geelong he's worth a first round and second round pick, as such, your first pick is now in round 3.
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby MW » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:02 am

If Crows only get 2nd round pick for Danger that would be a joke. How can they just change the rules a week before the free agency period!
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby HH3 » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:05 am

Booney wrote:I think that's the key, the club getting the player should give something up.

In this case, the AFL could say to Geelong he's worth a first round and second round pick, as such, your first pick is now in round 3.


But who are the AFL to decide what he's worth to a club?

His value should be determined by what a club is willing to give up for him. They should allow every interested club to bid on him (picks and players) and if Geelong really want him, they should have to match the best offer.

The AFL can't be trusted IMO.
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:08 am

HH3 wrote:
Booney wrote:I think that's the key, the club getting the player should give something up.

In this case, the AFL could say to Geelong he's worth a first round and second round pick, as such, your first pick is now in round 3.


But who are the AFL to decide what he's worth to a club?

His value should be determined by what a club is willing to give up for him. They should allow every interested club to bid on him (picks and players) and if Geelong really want him, they should have to match the best offer.

The AFL can't be trusted IMO.


I think the player needs to be able to say his preferred destination but I like your system.

Perhaps Geelong make the first offer, the AFL and Adelaide accept it or reject it then it's open slather for offers with Geelong getting last right of refusal.
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby bennymacca » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:17 am

MW wrote:If Crows only get 2nd round pick for Danger that would be a joke. How can they just change the rules a week before the free agency period!


the report i read said that the new guidelines mean that if the player is over 25 and in the top 5% of paid players then he would be Band 1. It said Danger would be the only player this year that would meet that criteria
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Rik E Boy » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:20 pm

Booney wrote:I think that's the key, the club getting the player should give something up.

In this case, the AFL could say to Geelong he's worth a first round and second round pick, as such, your first pick is now in round 3.


Like all the rest. Wouldn't have minded getting more than what we got for Bundy last year (Not FA of course just an observation). Our supporters get frustrated sometimes when our club does everything they can to get players to their desired locations. Some Cats want us to be a bit more hard ass at the trade table but I'm not sure what that achieves.

You can understand the Crows wanting decent compensation, we had a wail when we lost Ablett and did OK out of that one but what are other clubs who have had free agents 'given up'?

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Re: Crows 2015

Postby bennymacca » Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:07 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Booney wrote:I think that's the key, the club getting the player should give something up.

In this case, the AFL could say to Geelong he's worth a first round and second round pick, as such, your first pick is now in round 3.


Like all the rest. Wouldn't have minded getting more than what we got for Bundy last year (Not FA of course just an observation). Our supporters get frustrated sometimes when our club does everything they can to get players to their desired locations. Some Cats want us to be a bit more hard ass at the trade table but I'm not sure what that achieves.

You can understand the Crows wanting decent compensation, we had a wail when we lost Ablett and did OK out of that one but what are other clubs who have had free agents 'given up'?

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probably the difference is Danger is the first Restricted free agent that is likely to have a matched offer from their original club. Quite a bit different to Buddy or Frawley for instance who were never going to get similar deals at their current club, or Betts who carlton decided to let walk even though they could have matched if they chose to
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Pistol Pete » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:46 pm

As expected Don Pyke takes the top job at Adelaide.
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Corona Man » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:48 pm

Pistol Pete wrote:As expected Don Pyke takes the top job at Adelaide.


The pride of South Australia..... appoints a West Australian as head coach!
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby MW » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:50 pm

Corona Man wrote:
Pistol Pete wrote:As expected Don Pyke takes the top job at Adelaide.


The pride of South Australia..... appoints a West Australian as head coach!


yeah cause he's the first non SA coach of the Crows...knob :roll:
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby Corona Man » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:53 pm

MW wrote:
Corona Man wrote:
Pistol Pete wrote:As expected Don Pyke takes the top job at Adelaide.


The pride of South Australia..... appoints a West Australian as head coach!


yeah cause he's the first non SA coach of the Crows...knob :roll:


Haha whatever fella, just an observation
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby hawks21 » Fri Oct 09, 2015 12:54 pm

Corona Man wrote:
Pistol Pete wrote:As expected Don Pyke takes the top job at Adelaide.


The pride of South Australia..... appoints a West Australian as head coach!

Actually was born in America...spent time in Canberra, SA and WA...
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby heater31 » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:13 pm

hawks21 wrote:
Corona Man wrote:
Pistol Pete wrote:As expected Don Pyke takes the top job at Adelaide.


The pride of South Australia..... appoints a West Australian as head coach!

Actually was born in America...spent time in Canberra, SA and WA...

The last coach was a Victorian.....who gives a toss? :roll:
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Re: Crows 2015

Postby MW » Fri Oct 09, 2015 1:34 pm

FWIW I think it's a good appointment. Been around for a long time, coached his own side before (albeit for only 2 years). Time will tell.
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