Trades/Drafts (Nov & PSD/Rookie) - 2015

[Mr Beefy]

"TOP draft prospect Charlie Curnow spent the night at a Geelong police station last night after refusing a breath test. He was released about 6am today but the incident could force clubs to think twice about recruiting him."

Not very clever...but someone will still draft him

[daysofourlives]

"TOP draft prospect Charlie Curnow spent the night at a Geelong police station last night after refusing a breath test. He was released about 6am today but the incident could force clubs to think twice about recruiting him."

Not very clever...but someone will still draft him

Should slip through to pick 15 now where Hodgey can straighten him out

[Magellan]

"TOP draft prospect Charlie Curnow spent the night at a Geelong police station last night after refusing a breath test. He was released about 6am today but the incident could force clubs to think twice about recruiting him."

Not very clever...but someone will still draft him

Did he just refuse to blow in the bag, or was he also DUI?

[Booney]

"TOP draft prospect Charlie Curnow spent the night at a Geelong police station last night after refusing a breath test. He was released about 6am today but the incident could force clubs to think twice about recruiting him."

Not very clever...but someone will still draft him

Did he just refuse to blow in the bag, or was he also DUI?

Well if he refused you can safely assume he was DUI, yes?

[Magellan]

Well if he refused you can safely assume he was DUI, yes?

Of course, and it's a fair assumption to make, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was a safe or conclusive one.

Curnow might've thought he was DUI (but of course he cannot know this because DUI is determined by the result of a breath test (and a subsequent blood test IIRC?)) so he dodges the test, which is a daft thing to do because it is an offense in its own right. Once he's been informed of that fact by the cops presumably he eventually took a test, possibly after some ill-advised hoo-ha and carry on (hence the night in the clink), which could've showed that he was under the limit, and thus not DUI. Therefore the only wrong thing would've been his test refusal.

[Booney]

Well if he refused you can safely assume he was DUI, yes?

Of course, and it's a fair assumption to make, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was a safe or conclusive one.

Curnow might've thought he was DUI (but of course he cannot know this because DUI is determined by the result of a breath test (and a subsequent blood test IIRC?)) so he dodges the test, which is a daft thing to do because it is an offense in its own right. Once he's been informed of that fact by the cops presumably he eventually took a test, possibly after some ill-advised hoo-ha and carry on (hence the night in the clink), which could've showed that he was under the limit, and thus not DUI. Therefore the only wrong thing would've been his test refusal.

I'd say he would still be on P / P1 / P2 ( not sure how it works in Vic. ) meaning he needs to be 0.0 anyway.

[Magellan]

Well if he refused you can safely assume he was DUI, yes?

Of course, and it's a fair assumption to make, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was a safe or conclusive one.

Curnow might've thought he was DUI (but of course he cannot know this because DUI is determined by the result of a breath test (and a subsequent blood test IIRC?)) so he dodges the test, which is a daft thing to do because it is an offense in its own right. Once he's been informed of that fact by the cops presumably he eventually took a test, possibly after some ill-advised hoo-ha and carry on (hence the night in the clink), which could've showed that he was under the limit, and thus not DUI. Therefore the only wrong thing would've been his test refusal.

I'd say he would still be on P / P1 / P2 ( not sure how it works in Vic. ) meaning he needs to be 0.0 anyway.

Yes, agreed.

[Spargo]

I'd say he would still be on P / P1 / P2 ( not sure how it works in Vic. ) meaning he needs to be 0.0 anyway.

P1 I'd say Boon, P155ed!

[Brodlach]

If you refuse a test I believe you are automatically put in the high range level

[CoverKing]

If you refuse a test I believe you are automatically put in the high range level

In SA, that is correct pretty much. Dont get your car impounded though by refusing.

[CoverKing]

Well if he refused you can safely assume he was DUI, yes?

Of course, and it's a fair assumption to make, but I wouldn't necessarily say it was a safe or conclusive one.

Curnow might've thought he was DUI (but of course he cannot know this because DUI is determined by the result of a breath test (and a subsequent blood test IIRC?)) so he dodges the test, which is a daft thing to do because it is an offense in its own right. Once he's been informed of that fact by the cops presumably he eventually took a test, possibly after some ill-advised hoo-ha and carry on (hence the night in the clink), which could've showed that he was under the limit, and thus not DUI. Therefore the only wrong thing would've been his test refusal.

Incorrect, DUI is based solely on the police officers observations, in SA anyway. Driving over the limit, exceed prescribed concentration of alcohol is on a breath test and/or blood test.

My guess is he has spent that extended period time in the cells because he was drunk and they can't release him until he is sober and capable of looking after himself.

[Magellan]

Incorrect, DUI is based solely on the police officers observations, in SA anyway. Driving over the limit, exceed prescribed concentration of alcohol is on a breath test and/or blood test.

Yes, CoverKing's right, there is a difference.

I should've said 'driving while having prescribed concentration of alcohol in blood', for which the police would need evidence via a breath test/blood test.

[Psyber]

Incorrect, DUI is based solely on the police officers observations, in SA anyway. Driving over the limit, exceed prescribed concentration of alcohol is on a breath test and/or blood test.

Yes, CoverKing's right, there is a difference.

I should've said 'driving while having prescribed concentration of alcohol in blood', for which the police would need evidence via a breath test/blood test.

I assume that should proscribed meaning forbidden rather than prescribed indicating required - or is this a very advanced and liberal state?

[CoverKing]

Incorrect, DUI is based solely on the police officers observations, in SA anyway. Driving over the limit, exceed prescribed concentration of alcohol is on a breath test and/or blood test.

Yes, CoverKing's right, there is a difference.

I should've said 'driving while having prescribed concentration of alcohol in blood', for which the police would need evidence via a breath test/blood test.

I assume that should proscribed meaning forbidden rather than prescribed indicating required - or is this a very advanced and liberal state?

No, it is prescribed concentration of alcohol

[GWW]

Looking forward to main draft, tomorrow.

Hoping from a Port perspective that some highly regarded players drop to the 30s & beyond.

Crows will be keen to get some quality with their 2 first round picks. I reckon they'll probably go for 1 local (Bonner?) and one from interstate.

Westies likely to have a high number taken again.

[CoverKing]

Crows to take Milera and Burton if both available I reckon.
Unless Francis somehow makes it to crows first pick they'll take him

[Booney]

I feel sorry for picks 1 and 2 tomorrow.

Both talented kids, I'm sure, but the chances of them having long successful careers is over before they even start. I mean, Carlton and Brisbane, sure, it might be long, but successful?

I suppose they can at least be hopeful of being traded in 2 years with both clubs recent track records.

[MW]

I feel sorry for picks 1 and 2 tomorrow.

Both talented kids, I'm sure, but the chances of them having long successful careers is over before they even start. I mean, Carlton and Brisbane, sure, it might be long, but successful?

I suppose they can at least be hopeful of being traded in 2 years with both clubs recent track records.

Agreed. You'd hope (as a supporter) their screening process of each recruit has concentrated on the personality of the player and if they would be willing to stick around during the hard times.

[GWW]

Schache as a link to the Lions through his late father and is reportedly keen to go there, but obviously things can change in 2 or 3 years.

[Q.]

If they're any good they'll have long careers.

There's no reason that Carlton and Brisbane won't have worked their way back to the top 4 in 8-10 years time.