by JK » Mon Dec 07, 2015 1:53 pm
by Booney » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:11 pm
Q. wrote:Booney wrote:Lightning McQueen wrote:The fatality rate vs the buzz created.
It's a ratio that the youth over today are willing to risk with, there's too much "it wont happen to me" mentality.
Many of them use the drugs that often, perhaps weekly, that the "it won't happen to me" attitude doesn't even exist. "Been doing pingers from *name names here* for months mate, they're all good".
Actually, the majority of users of MDMA take it infrequently and generally only at 'events'. They are functional users who lead normal lives.
by nuggety goodness » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:15 pm
by OnSong » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:21 pm
by Q. » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:25 pm
nuggety goodness wrote:Not trying to get on my soapbax and start another tangent argument but the unfortunate fact is that drugs and alcohol along with mental health issues (stemming many times from traumatic experiences and abuse) are creating a society which is constantly being degraded and destroyed. Families and households are then ripped apart by drugs and alcohol and many times its not the person who takes it but the circle around them that is affected.
by nuggety goodness » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:28 pm
Q. wrote:nuggety goodness wrote:Not trying to get on my soapbax and start another tangent argument but the unfortunate fact is that drugs and alcohol along with mental health issues (stemming many times from traumatic experiences and abuse) are creating a society which is constantly being degraded and destroyed. Families and households are then ripped apart by drugs and alcohol and many times its not the person who takes it but the circle around them that is affected.
The majority of drug users lead functional and normal lives.
by Lightning McQueen » Mon Dec 07, 2015 2:34 pm
nuggety goodness wrote:Q. wrote:nuggety goodness wrote:Not trying to get on my soapbax and start another tangent argument but the unfortunate fact is that drugs and alcohol along with mental health issues (stemming many times from traumatic experiences and abuse) are creating a society which is constantly being degraded and destroyed. Families and households are then ripped apart by drugs and alcohol and many times its not the person who takes it but the circle around them that is affected.
The majority of drug users lead functional and normal lives.
I have no doubt about that. But unfortunately 'most' young people don't grasp the idea of responsible drug use. You either do or you don't. And the responsible users make it look like an acceptable option, but truth is it's not a good one.
by Q. » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:03 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:You think so? I thought it was more of a lucky dip, you might get one that causes an adverse reaction or somehow your body doesn't react well to it.
I'm no expert in the field.
by Booney » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:07 pm
OnSong wrote:Time to introduce testing facilities. Remove the unknown element of the risk.
The substance is tested, the client is advised of what's in it, what possible side effects are, and encouraged not to take it.
Then whether it is consumed or not is at the discretion of the client, fully aware of possible dangers.
by Lightning McQueen » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:07 pm
Q. wrote:Lightning McQueen wrote:You think so? I thought it was more of a lucky dip, you might get one that causes an adverse reaction or somehow your body doesn't react well to it.
I'm no expert in the field.
The biggest threat to safety is para-Methoxyamphetamine (PMA). It's synthesized from anethole, which is easier to come by (due to drug laws) than safrole, which is the precursor to MDMA.
by Q. » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:18 pm
Lightning McQueen wrote:Q. wrote:Lightning McQueen wrote:You think so? I thought it was more of a lucky dip, you might get one that causes an adverse reaction or somehow your body doesn't react well to it.
I'm no expert in the field.
The biggest threat to safety is para-Methoxyamphetamine (PMA). It's synthesized from anethole, which is easier to come by (due to drug laws) than safrole, which is the precursor to MDMA.
Is that what all the arm scratchers have been using?
by Footy Chick » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:29 pm
Gatt_Weasel wrote:if they (Walkerville) dont win the flag ill run around the block of my street naked :) you can grab a chair and enjoy the view
by Booney » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:36 pm
by Q. » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:52 pm
by nuggety goodness » Mon Dec 07, 2015 3:59 pm
Q. wrote:Fact is, mind alteration in all it's forms is very much a part of life and alcohol is at the forefront of it.
by Magellan » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:03 pm
nuggety goodness wrote:are drugs good or bad?
by OnSong » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:08 pm
Booney wrote:OnSong wrote:Time to introduce testing facilities. Remove the unknown element of the risk.
The substance is tested, the client is advised of what's in it, what possible side effects are, and encouraged not to take it.
Then whether it is consumed or not is at the discretion of the client, fully aware of possible dangers.
If a testing station took 30 minutes to test the substance that's 30 minutes of focused "point of sale" (obviously not the actual point of sale but point of use) education for the user. I'd suggest that any substances containing rat poison, bleach, draino etc that it would be easier to convince the person not to take if they were given the results of the tests prior to ingesting it.
by Booney » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:11 pm
OnSong wrote:Booney wrote:OnSong wrote:Time to introduce testing facilities. Remove the unknown element of the risk.
The substance is tested, the client is advised of what's in it, what possible side effects are, and encouraged not to take it.
Then whether it is consumed or not is at the discretion of the client, fully aware of possible dangers.
If a testing station took 30 minutes to test the substance that's 30 minutes of focused "point of sale" (obviously not the actual point of sale but point of use) education for the user. I'd suggest that any substances containing rat poison, bleach, draino etc that it would be easier to convince the person not to take if they were given the results of the tests prior to ingesting it.
Yeah, that's what I'm suggesting?
by nuggety goodness » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:13 pm
Magellan wrote:nuggety goodness wrote:are drugs good or bad?
by Booney » Mon Dec 07, 2015 4:15 pm
nuggety goodness wrote:Q. wrote:Fact is, mind alteration in all it's forms is very much a part of life and alcohol is at the forefront of it.
This is true.
are drugs good or bad?
Are they acceptable?
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