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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby bennymacca » Mon May 23, 2016 10:07 pm

You only just beat st Kilda Essendon Melbourne, and have only played two teams in the top eight.

If you had the draw difficulty of some other teams you would have lost more games. And should have a better percentage than you do.

Gws is so high because they smashed hawthorn
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby stan » Mon May 23, 2016 10:20 pm

bennymacca wrote:You only just beat st Kilda Essendon Melbourne, and have only played two teams in the top eight.

If you had the draw difficulty of some other teams you would have lost more games. And should have a better percentage than you do.

Gws is so high because they smashed hawthorn

And beat the Dogs and Geelong.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Dutchy » Mon May 23, 2016 10:22 pm

bennymacca wrote:You only just beat st Kilda Essendon Melbourne, and have only played two teams in the top eight.

If you had the draw difficulty of some other teams you would have lost more games. And should have a better percentage than you do.

Gws is so high because they smashed hawthorn


Look at WB draw, played the same teams as NM except Hawks and GWS but had the luxury of 7 straight home games with no travel and when they played NM they got beat, yet they are well ahead on this ladder? Makes. No. Sense.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Spargo » Mon May 23, 2016 10:23 pm

bennymacca wrote:If you had the draw difficulty of some other teams you would have lost more games.

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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby bennymacca » Mon May 23, 2016 10:36 pm

love how you guys seem to think i came up with this, it is champion data, not some random bloke's opinion.

It basically shows your performance against the good teams. Less than a goal win against St Kilda is a loss if you adjust for the ability of the teams, because on average the top team will beat an average team by more.

GWS on the other hand smashed hawthorn so if you adjust this for the difficulty of the teams it would turn into an even greater win.

Is it really that hard to understand?

Its a reflection of the close wins against average teams combined with an easy draw.

Just thought it was interesting because some were asking why North are still 6th favourite for the flag despite being 9-0.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby bennymacca » Mon May 23, 2016 10:45 pm

Maybe this is a little easier to understand for those that are a little statistically challenged

186 hot plot for this round, vs the same time in 2015

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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Grahaml » Mon May 23, 2016 11:22 pm

Just in case someone in Australia was yet to see that graph? All it tells me if you're good at scoring and good at defending you're a good team. Fairly obvious I'd have thought.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby stan » Tue May 24, 2016 8:39 am

Grahaml wrote:Just in case someone in Australia was yet to see that graph? All it tells me if you're good at scoring and good at defending you're a good team. Fairly obvious I'd have thought.

Oh I see the old be ahead on the scoreboard style of play. Gotcha [emoji12]
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby bennymacca » Tue May 24, 2016 9:16 am

Grahaml wrote:Just in case someone in Australia was yet to see that graph? All it tells me if you're good at scoring and good at defending you're a good team. Fairly obvious I'd have thought.


Let me guess, you hated maths at school and didn't think you could use it in real life?
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby HH3 » Tue May 24, 2016 10:08 am

So you're trying to predict the Premiership favourite using math?

NM were 9th on the 2015 chart and lost the prelim by 4 goals. So the chart means f**k all. Just some useless crap that moosh brain ex footballers use to fill the air time and their own pockets with media money.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby woodublieve12 » Tue May 24, 2016 2:39 pm

How are the odds for Friday nights game? :shock:
Ridiculous, got the swans at $1.40 and the kangaroos at $2.95. How is the undefeated side paying that much?????? This was of Sportsbet
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue May 24, 2016 3:06 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:How are the odds for Friday nights game? :shock:
Ridiculous, got the swans at $1.40 and the kangaroos at $2.95. How is the undefeated side paying that much?????? This was of Sportsbet


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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby HH3 » Tue May 24, 2016 3:09 pm

Very unlikely to get through that block undefeated, but you can't really write a team off if they do lose a couple. Everyone else has lost at least two each already.

It seems like no one actually rates the Roos, no matter how well they've done for an average team the last few seasons.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue May 24, 2016 3:11 pm

HH3 wrote:Very unlikely to get through that block undefeated, but you can't really write a team off if they do lose a couple. Everyone else has lost at least two each already.

It seems like no one actually rates the Roos, no matter how well they've done for an average team the last few seasons.


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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby another grub » Tue May 24, 2016 3:37 pm

$1.90 to make top 4 looks tempting
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Booney » Tue May 24, 2016 3:40 pm

Then there's this much more relevant data.

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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby another grub » Tue May 24, 2016 5:59 pm

50/50 to make top 4 ?
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby HH3 » Tue May 24, 2016 6:23 pm

4/18 chance to make the top 4

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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Grahaml » Tue May 24, 2016 7:53 pm

bennymacca wrote:
Grahaml wrote:Just in case someone in Australia was yet to see that graph? All it tells me if you're good at scoring and good at defending you're a good team. Fairly obvious I'd have thought.


Let me guess, you hated maths at school and didn't think you could use it in real life?


Lol. Because that graph is supposed to be a challenge to anyone over 5? It's so simplistic you could call it moronic. It's also about as enlightening as saying premiership teams need to win a certain % of their H&A matches.
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Re: North Melbourne 2016

Postby Dutchy » Tue May 24, 2016 8:06 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:How are the odds for Friday nights game? :shock:
Ridiculous, got the swans at $1.40 and the kangaroos at $2.95. How is the undefeated side paying that much?????? This was of Sportsbet


Shit's about to get real for the Roo's now, they could potentially lose their next 6, they'll start favourites once until round 17.


They could have potentially lost their first 9, but didn't.
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