2016 C9AFL Div 7

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Who will win the 2016 D7 Grand Final?

Adelaide Uni
3
9%
Central United
2
6%
Flinders Uni
2
6%
North Pines
1
3%
PAOC
4
11%
Salisbury West
14
40%
St Pauls OS
5
14%
Tea Tree Gully
1
3%
Unley Mercedes Jets
3
9%
 
Total votes : 35

Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby The Bedge » Thu May 26, 2016 10:14 am

adr107 wrote:
Jetters wrote:Yeah but that's some dumbass, short sighted, div 6/7 club, douchebag line of thinking isn't it.


Classy comment lol

What. A. wanker. :roll:
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Jetters » Thu May 26, 2016 10:56 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:Lucky the league has you two to sort these things out............

I've made a typically rock solid suggestion.

If a club elects to drop divisions, A graders who leave may not be allowed to return for a determined period.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 11:01 am

Jetters wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Lucky the league has you two to sort these things out............

I've made a typically myopic, ignorant and uneducated suggestion lacking in discretion and pragmatism:

If a club elects to drop divisions, A graders who leave may not be allowed to return for a determined period.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Burras » Thu May 26, 2016 11:03 am

Jetters wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Lucky the league has you two to sort these things out............

I've made a typically rock solid suggestion.

If a club elects to drop divisions, A graders who leave may not be allowed to return for a determined period.



I'm going to have to agree with Jetters on this. Maybe the points system should come into play to stop players leaving a club when it's on the verge of folding to only come back and dominate in div.7
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 11:06 am

So a guy plays for 15 years at a club, leaves for a year because the team folds through no fault of his own - and he cant come back to the club to help it rebuild?

That's going to be a really successful strategy for helping those clubs get back on their feet [/sarcasm]

Are you guys actually thinking this through?
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu May 26, 2016 11:17 am

morell wrote:So a guy plays for 15 years at a club, leaves for a year because the team folds through no fault of his own - and he cant come back to the club to help it rebuild?

That's going to be a really successful strategy for helping those clubs get back on their feet [/sarcasm]

Are you guys actually thinking this through?

It has merit, why piss off in the first place if you've been there 15 years? There obviously needs some modifications to the rules but as a whole there needs to be measures in place to prevent this happening.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu May 26, 2016 11:26 am

Jetters wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Lucky the league has you two to sort these things out............

I've made a typically rock solid suggestion.

If a club elects to drop divisions, A graders who leave may not be allowed to return for a determined period.


Here's a rock solid suggestion that will solve a question that's been confounding scientists for centuries
Next time you play Salisbury West, swap your B and C Grades so we can finally sort out whether a D1R side could beat a D7 A Grade side
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 11:26 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:
morell wrote:So a guy plays for 15 years at a club, leaves for a year because the team folds through no fault of his own - and he cant come back to the club to help it rebuild?

That's going to be a really successful strategy for helping those clubs get back on their feet [/sarcasm]

Are you guys actually thinking this through?

It has merit, why piss off in the first place if you've been there 15 years? There obviously needs some modifications to the rules but as a whole there needs to be measures in place to prevent this happening.
Dunno. Maybe because the club isn't playing that year?!? Using this logic none of the Para Hills guys that have helped us out would be able to build them back up again in 2017??

Maybe because you promised someone that you'd have a crack at a higher division the previous season

Maybe you got a contract in the NT for work for 12 months and wanted to have a kick

Maybe you did your knee but want to help out in a coaching role at another club for 12 months.

Maybe you made a mistake and got cleared when you shouldn't have.

Maybe you promised your brother you'd play with him in Vic before he retires



That's the thing, these blanket, hard and fast, binary, black and white type rules only work in peoples heads and on sa footy. The practical implementation of them falls down.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 11:30 am

If we want to stop the "pendulum" effect. Increase the number of games required to be a 0 pointer at a club to 50, or 75.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Burras » Thu May 26, 2016 11:40 am

morell wrote:So a guy plays for 15 years at a club, leaves for a year because the team folds through no fault of his own - and he cant come back to the club to help it rebuild?

That's going to be a really successful strategy for helping those clubs get back on their feet [/sarcasm]

Are you guys actually thinking this through?


Maybe think of the blokes that put the club in that position by leaving at the drop of a hat for $$ and now are back to 'help the club rebuild' :roll:
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu May 26, 2016 11:43 am

morell wrote:Dunno. Maybe because the club isn't playing that year?!? Using this logic none of the Para Hills guys that have helped us out would be able to build them back up again in 2017??

Maybe because you promised someone that you'd have a crack at a higher division the previous season

Maybe you got a contract in the NT for work for 12 months and wanted to have a kick

Maybe you did your knee but want to help out in a coaching role at another club for 12 months.

Maybe you made a mistake and got cleared when you shouldn't have.

Maybe you promised your brother you'd play with him in Vic before he retires



That's the thing, these blanket, hard and fast, binary, black and white type rules only work in peoples heads and on sa footy. The practical implementation of them falls down.


Extraordinary circumstance, each one can be dealt with case by case.

It's more of having a mass exodus when the money dries up and then all returning when they are 3 divisions lower to repeat the process. We've seen plenty of examples of it recently.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Jetters » Thu May 26, 2016 11:50 am

morell wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
morell wrote:So a guy plays for 15 years at a club, leaves for a year because the team folds through no fault of his own - and he cant come back to the club to help it rebuild?

That's going to be a really successful strategy for helping those clubs get back on their feet [/sarcasm]

Are you guys actually thinking this through?

It has merit, why piss off in the first place if you've been there 15 years? There obviously needs some modifications to the rules but as a whole there needs to be measures in place to prevent this happening.
Dunno. Maybe because the club isn't playing that year?!? Using this logic none of the Para Hills guys that have helped us out would be able to build them back up again in 2017??

Maybe because you promised someone that you'd have a crack at a higher division the previous season

Maybe you got a contract in the NT for work for 12 months and wanted to have a kick

Maybe you did your knee but want to help out in a coaching role at another club for 12 months.

Maybe you made a mistake and got cleared when you shouldn't have.

Maybe you promised your brother you'd play with him in Vic before he retires



That's the thing, these blanket, hard and fast, binary, black and white type rules only work in peoples heads and on sa footy. The practical implementation of them falls down.

Exactly @LM, if you had been there 15 years and had some heart you wouldn't leave just because they were struggling.

@Morrell, if you have been at a club for 15 years and it implodes, I don't accept it's no fault of your own. Those things might be relevant in a tiny % of cases and there can be sensible obvious exceptions made for people playing interstate etc.

Maybe the rule is if you are cleared to another club, sign a contract and accept payment at that club you are not allowed to return. Or, you are not allowed to be cleared back to your original club and accept payment the following year.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Jetters » Thu May 26, 2016 11:52 am

Burras wrote:
morell wrote:So a guy plays for 15 years at a club, leaves for a year because the team folds through no fault of his own - and he cant come back to the club to help it rebuild?

That's going to be a really successful strategy for helping those clubs get back on their feet [/sarcasm]

Are you guys actually thinking this through?


Maybe think of the blokes that put the club in that position by leaving at the drop of a hat for $$ and now are back to 'help the club rebuild' :roll:

Exactly, although that irony seems lost on people here.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Jetters » Thu May 26, 2016 11:53 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Jetters wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:Lucky the league has you two to sort these things out............

I've made a typically rock solid suggestion.

If a club elects to drop divisions, A graders who leave may not be allowed to return for a determined period.


Here's a rock solid suggestion that will solve a question that's been confounding scientists for centuries
Next time you play Salisbury West, swap your B and C Grades so we can finally sort out whether a D1R side could beat a D7 A Grade side

Might tell us if a D1R side could beat a Div3/4 side...
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 11:56 am

Jetters wrote:Maybe the rule is if you are cleared to another club, sign a contract and accept payment at that club you are not allowed to return. Or, you are not allowed to be cleared back to your original club and accept payment the following year.
Bit better, but you're still restricting clubs that are trying to rebuild. Which is utterly nonsensical. Its like taxing a business more for making a loss.

You're going about it the wrong way, we need to restrict the guys from *leaving* in the first place, not from going back.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby Jetters » Thu May 26, 2016 11:58 am

morell wrote:
Jetters wrote:Maybe the rule is if you are cleared to another club, sign a contract and accept payment at that club you are not allowed to return. Or, you are not allowed to be cleared back to your original club and accept payment the following year.
Bit better, but you're still restricting clubs that are trying to rebuild. Which is utterly nonsensical. Its like taxing a business more for making a loss.

You're going about it the wrong way, we need to restrict the guys from *leaving* in the first place, not from going back.


You do want to restrict these guys going back, they are the poisonous types that jump from club to club and ultimately cause these issues. You have to help the club help themselves by not taking them back.


It's like a business trading insolvent, bailing them out and rehiring the same directors.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 12:08 pm

You're making broad, rubbish statements that to be honest are offensive to many good loyal club people. You're making assumptions based on a figment of your imagination.

To give you a semblance of reality, and this is just off the top of my head:

Nat McDonnell - didn't play in 2014 because he promised his family a year of football on Kangaroo Island. Under your rules, he wouldn't have been able to play for us in 2015. He's a life member and played 300 games.

Ben Weekley - didnt play in 2011 because he wanted to test himself at D1 level for PHOS. Under your rules, he wouldn't have been able to play for us in 2012. He's since been a multiple BnF winner, captain and 200 games.

Luke McDonnell - didn't play in 2014 because of a broken hand and then moving to the NT. Under your rules, he wouldn't have been able to play or us in 2015.

Damien Carr - left to play at Reynella and test himself at a higher level in 2014

Adam Colquhoun - moved to the UK for a year in 2014

Sean Lindholm - moved to Edwardston to play in his mates 300th

etc etc etc etc

They are all great Mitchell Park people from great Mitchell Park families. They've all be integral in our ability to move our club out of the mire. None have demanded a single cent. Your rules, if implemented, would've seen the death of Mitchell Park. Of that there is no doubt.

Thankfully, the league has a bit more insight on what is involved in trying to keep clubs alive.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 12:15 pm

Despite all that I do agree that the pendulum effect of:

1. Team struggles in medium level div
2. Gets too hard, players leave
3. Club folds for a year or drops to one team
4. Comes back in lower div
5. Players come back
6. Smash lower level comps
7. Climb divisions
8. Rinse and repeat.

Its definitely an issue, but you're trying to solve it at #5 - which is too late! We need to solve it at #1 or #2.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby The Bedge » Thu May 26, 2016 12:21 pm

morell wrote:Despite all that I do agree that the pendulum effect of:

1. Team struggles in medium level div
2. Gets too hard, players leave
3. Club folds for a year or drops to one team
4. Comes back in lower div
5. Players come back
6. Smash lower level comps
7. Climb divisions
8. Rinse and repeat.

Its definitely an issue, but you're trying to solve it at #5 - which is too late! We need to solve it at #1 or #2.

Hmm not sure I agree with point 1 - generally the sides who have dropped down have come off successful seasons - Brahma, Para Hills all premierships.. Salis West were having a strong year before they ran out of money lol.
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Re: 2016 C9AFL Div 7

Postby morell » Thu May 26, 2016 12:30 pm

Yeah ok, so maybe some of the restrictions need to be put in place for only those sides that have been successful? I know its not good having a year of pain and lopsided results, but maybe a stricter adherence to promotion and relegation wouldn't go astray.

I find it a bitter pill to swallow that after the worst year in our history in 2104 where we did the right thing, stayed in D6, duly got belted by 40 goals most weeks - that we wouldn't be able to welcome back a few good club people who had been scattered in the wind the next year to keep the club alive.
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