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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby PhilH » Fri May 20, 2016 9:46 pm

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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby goddy11 » Fri May 20, 2016 11:17 pm




Quote from your article PhilH
Poor weather, unorthodox fixturing to cater for Channel 7’s live broadcast and disillusionment over the two AFL alignments are being used to explain the drop-off in crowds

sound familiar
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby saintal » Fri May 20, 2016 11:37 pm

goddy11 wrote:



Quote from your article PhilH
Poor weather, unorthodox fixturing to cater for Channel 7’s live broadcast and disillusionment over the two AFL alignments are being used to explain the drop-off in crowds

sound familiar


As does a league honcho stating that everything is fine as social media activity is up
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Panther Pack » Wed Jun 29, 2016 12:41 pm

Interesting Article in the Messenger



SANFL match day crowds slump in wake of AFL reserve sides. Officials try to explain why

David Penrose, Weekly Times Messenger, Messenger Community News
an hour ago

SANFL crowds have slumped 16 per cent since the introduction of AFL reserves sides but league officials say strong television ratings and a growing online following indicate their “product is very strong”.

Figures show the league average attendance for the opening 13 rounds this season was 2486, compared with 2942 at the same stage in 2013 — the final season before Adelaide and Port Adelaide reserves entered the competition.

This season’s mark is the lowest since Port joined the AFL in 1997, and down 1000 fans a game on the 13-round average of 3612 in 2001.

SANFL general manager Adam Kelly said crowds were only one way to measure success of the competition.

He said television ratings were healthy, online traffic was growing and club membership numbers were on the up.

But crowds have fallen again in 2016 and a fortnight ago just 938 people — the lowest recorded crowd in SANFL history — watched South Adelaide celebrate its 140th anniversary against Port Adelaide at Noarlunga.

The game was broadcast live on Channel Seven.

“(The) game between South and Port drew an average (television) audience of in excess of 39,000,” Kelly said.

“One in three people watching free-to-air TV were watching SANFL — and that tells us that the product is very strong.

“We’ve got almost 55,000 people using our app which is about 50 per cent more than last year and our social media audience is well above comparable competitions in other states.”

Despite the crowd figures suggesting the opposite, he said the addition of the AFL sides in 2014 had added interest to the competition.

“Some of our best attendances and television ratings have involved those teams,” Kelly said.

Crowds this season are down 5 per cent from 12 months ago, when an average of 2614 people attended games.

But Kelly pointed to Central District (up 29.9 per cent from 2082 to 2705) and Woodville-West Torrens (up 15.4 per cent from 2132 to 2461) recording increased crowds this year compared with last.

Overall only four SANFL games have pulled a crowd of more than 4000 people this season, the same as 2015, but well down on 14 in the opening 13 rounds of 2012.

Many disaffected fans have blamed the two AFL alignments, a lack of continuity in fixtures — teams have five weekends off in a 23-week minor round — and rule changes for the declining interest.

Kelly defended the rule changes — which include a free being paid against the last player to kick or handball the ball before it went out of bounds — and said this season’s competition had been attractive viewing.

“Scoring over the year has increased by 10 per cent and stoppages are down,” he said.

He said the SANFL would work with clubs to market matches.

“That includes looking at the numbers of byes in the season and when our games are scheduled.”

Kelly said attendances were just part of clubs’ revenue streams and payments from the sale of Football Park, which start in October, would help long-term viability.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby VALE PARK » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:11 pm

IMHO,no surprises on these stats.
5 byes during the season interrupts continuous commitment by supporters to their teams.
They get out of the habit of going to the footy,week in week out and find other things to do,
especially if their club is losing and/or on TV.
Let us hope the SANFL learn from their 2016 faux pas.
Little/big things like this,minimal radio coverage and AFL teams in the comp just add up as a negative for aging and new followers to the league.
It probably ends with a drift to the ammos or AFL TV.
They may never return.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby JK » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:27 pm

Why would he point toward TV ratings as being a positive?

Understand it for the AFL when it continually improves their TV deal with some significant $$ reaching the clubs, but HTF does it help the SANFL clubs to have 1,000 less people attending but watching on TV, when the League not only doesn't generate revenue for the rights, but instead forks out a lazy Mil?
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby VALE PARK » Wed Jun 29, 2016 1:35 pm

Remember Baghdad Bob.
'Everything is Positive'.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby heater31 » Wed Jun 29, 2016 2:47 pm

VALE PARK wrote:IMHO,no surprises on these stats.
5 byes during the season interrupts continuous commitment by supporters to their teams.
They get out of the habit of going to the footy,week in week out and find other things to do,
especially if their club is losing and/or on TV.
Let us hope the SANFL learn from their 2016 faux pas.
Little/big things like this,minimal radio coverage and AFL teams in the comp just add up as a negative for aging and new followers to the league.
It probably ends with a drift to the ammos or AFL TV.
They may never return.
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Don't get your point about byes.......the SANFL had Byes from 1991 to 2013. However what is ridiculous was the reasons for admitting a 10th team to get rid of the bye......yet we still have them :roll:
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Dogwatcher » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:13 pm

Five byes in a 10-team competition.
There shouldn't be so many byes. The byes and their placement are also about fitting into the reserves' sides requirements.
Also, "removing the byes" was supposed to be a 'for' for the inclusion of the reserves teams.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Dutchy » Wed Jun 29, 2016 3:42 pm

Panther Pack wrote:Interesting Article in the Messenger



SANFL match day crowds slump in wake of AFL reserve sides. Officials try to explain why

David Penrose, Weekly Times Messenger, Messenger Community News
an hour ago

SANFL crowds have slumped 16 per cent since the introduction of AFL reserves sides but league officials say strong television ratings and a growing online following indicate their “product is very strong”.

Figures show the league average attendance for the opening 13 rounds this season was 2486, compared with 2942 at the same stage in 2013 — the final season before Adelaide and Port Adelaide reserves entered the competition.

This season’s mark is the lowest since Port joined the AFL in 1997, and down 1000 fans a game on the 13-round average of 3612 in 2001.

SANFL general manager Adam Kelly said crowds were only one way to measure success of the competition.

He said television ratings were healthy, online traffic was growing and club membership numbers were on the up.

But crowds have fallen again in 2016 and a fortnight ago just 938 people — the lowest recorded crowd in SANFL history — watched South Adelaide celebrate its 140th anniversary against Port Adelaide at Noarlunga.

The game was broadcast live on Channel Seven.

“(The) game between South and Port drew an average (television) audience of in excess of 39,000,” Kelly said.

“One in three people watching free-to-air TV were watching SANFL — and that tells us that the product is very strong.

“We’ve got almost 55,000 people using our app which is about 50 per cent more than last year and our social media audience is well above comparable competitions in other states.”

Despite the crowd figures suggesting the opposite, he said the addition of the AFL sides in 2014 had added interest to the competition.

“Some of our best attendances and television ratings have involved those teams,” Kelly said.

Crowds this season are down 5 per cent from 12 months ago, when an average of 2614 people attended games.

But Kelly pointed to Central District (up 29.9 per cent from 2082 to 2705) and Woodville-West Torrens (up 15.4 per cent from 2132 to 2461) recording increased crowds this year compared with last.

Overall only four SANFL games have pulled a crowd of more than 4000 people this season, the same as 2015, but well down on 14 in the opening 13 rounds of 2012.

Many disaffected fans have blamed the two AFL alignments, a lack of continuity in fixtures — teams have five weekends off in a 23-week minor round — and rule changes for the declining interest.

Kelly defended the rule changes — which include a free being paid against the last player to kick or handball the ball before it went out of bounds — and said this season’s competition had been attractive viewing.

“Scoring over the year has increased by 10 per cent and stoppages are down,” he said.

He said the SANFL would work with clubs to market matches.

“That includes looking at the numbers of byes in the season and when our games are scheduled.”

Kelly said attendances were just part of clubs’ revenue streams and payments from the sale of Football Park, which start in October, would help long-term viability.


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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Grahaml » Wed Jun 29, 2016 11:38 pm

He's right in one sense that overall interest in the comp is a good thing and those things are good measures of the interest level, but crowds are just so important to clubs. Getting to the game and being so close to the action is without doubt the biggest selling point we have and I think that ultimately it needs to be about crowds. Minor fluctuations because of weather, timeslots and team form are always going to be a factor, but it needs to be a minor trend, not a major one.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby johntheclaret » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:50 am

Panther Pack wrote:Interesting Article in the Messenger



SANFL match day crowds slump in wake of AFL reserve sides. Officials try to explain why

David Penrose, Weekly Times Messenger, Messenger Community News
an hour ago

SANFL crowds have slumped 16 per cent since the introduction of AFL reserves sides but league officials say strong television ratings and a growing online following indicate their “product is very strong”.

Figures show the league average attendance for the opening 13 rounds this season was 2486, compared with 2942 at the same stage in 2013 — the final season before Adelaide and Port Adelaide reserves entered the competition.

This season’s mark is the lowest since Port joined the AFL in 1997, and down 1000 fans a game on the 13-round average of 3612 in 2001.

SANFL general manager Adam Kelly said crowds were only one way to measure success of the competition.

He said television ratings were healthy, online traffic was growing and club membership numbers were on the up.

But crowds have fallen again in 2016 and a fortnight ago just 938 people — the lowest recorded crowd in SANFL history — watched South Adelaide celebrate its 140th anniversary against Port Adelaide at Noarlunga.

The game was broadcast live on Channel Seven.

“(The) game between South and Port drew an average (television) audience of in excess of 39,000,” Kelly said.

“One in three people watching free-to-air TV were watching SANFL — and that tells us that the product is very strong.

“We’ve got almost 55,000 people using our app which is about 50 per cent more than last year and our social media audience is well above comparable competitions in other states.”

Despite the crowd figures suggesting the opposite, he said the addition of the AFL sides in 2014 had added interest to the competition.

“Some of our best attendances and television ratings have involved those teams,” Kelly said.

Crowds this season are down 5 per cent from 12 months ago, when an average of 2614 people attended games.

But Kelly pointed to Central District (up 29.9 per cent from 2082 to 2705) and Woodville-West Torrens (up 15.4 per cent from 2132 to 2461) recording increased crowds this year compared with last.

Overall only four SANFL games have pulled a crowd of more than 4000 people this season, the same as 2015, but well down on 14 in the opening 13 rounds of 2012.

Many disaffected fans have blamed the two AFL alignments, a lack of continuity in fixtures — teams have five weekends off in a 23-week minor round — and rule changes for the declining interest.

Kelly defended the rule changes — which include a free being paid against the last player to kick or handball the ball before it went out of bounds — and said this season’s competition had been attractive viewing.

“Scoring over the year has increased by 10 per cent and stoppages are down,” he said.

He said the SANFL would work with clubs to market matches.

“That includes looking at the numbers of byes in the season and when our games are scheduled.”

Kelly said attendances were just part of clubs’ revenue streams and payments from the sale of Football Park, which start in October, would help long-term viability.


****, I can't believe what I've just read.
"Crowds aren't only one way to measure success" what a joke.
"TV audiences are healthy", well whoopdedoo, that'll put bread on the table will it, when the SANFL actually pays to be broadcast. And thank **** 55,000 are using the app. That'll bring in a shed load of revenue for each club.

The league is truly lost.
As long as there are idiots like this spruiking this kind of bullshit the SANFL is truly lost.
Reading this shite makes me sadder than England losing to Iceland.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:53 am

Crowds at AFL games at Adelaide Oval have dropped by 5% in the last two seasons too, seems to be no winners ATM.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby johntheclaret » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:01 am

Wedgie wrote:Crowds at AFL games at Adelaide Oval have dropped by 5% in the last two seasons too, seems to be no winners ATM.

Of course there are winners. App users are up ;)
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:05 am

Personally I don't even use apps for footy scores, the novelty of them has worn off too.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby heater31 » Thu Jun 30, 2016 10:50 am

Wedgie wrote:Personally I don't even use apps for footy scores, the novelty of them has worn off too.
Web browser for everything!


Well as Far as the SANFL one is concerned it never bloody works when I want to use it :roll:
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Dutchy » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:02 am

I think TV and App usage is up due to crowds being down, don't they see that dedicated supporters of the past have now turned to passive supporters who get their info from these sources instead of being at the game?
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:24 am

Dutchy wrote:I think TV and App usage is up due to crowds being down, don't they see that dedicated supporters of the past have now turned to passive supporters who get their info from these sources instead of being at the game?

Fair call, I've missed heaps of games in the last 18 months and done exactly that. Usually go to the pub instead and watch the scores ticking over.
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby spell_check » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:44 am

Dutchy wrote:I think TV and App usage is up due to crowds being down, don't they see that dedicated supporters of the past have now turned to passive supporters who get their info from these sources instead of being at the game?


It will end up being like the Sheffield Shield
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Re: 2016 SANFL Crowds

Postby Ronnie » Thu Jun 30, 2016 11:48 am

spell_check wrote:
Dutchy wrote:I think TV and App usage is up due to crowds being down, don't they see that dedicated supporters of the past have now turned to passive supporters who get their info from these sources instead of being at the game?


It will end up being like the Sheffield Shield


The Sheffield Shield is a valid comparison. Quality competition, but in shadows of international cricket.

Has a massive passive following (everyone claims to follow the shield) but crowds are mainly lamentable. No excuses weather wise either as with football in winter.
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