The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[Jim05]

So if the Queensland and New Souith Wales clubs can play in a competition that transcends state borders why cant the South australian teams? Surely the Crows and Power have more money than the non traditional clubs in those states. Its pretty much the same plane flight yeah? Adelaide - Melbourne as Brisbane to Sydney

NT also has a team in the comp

[LPH]

This is what I hate about the leagues and the clubs...

The constant "we should withhold information and massage the truth so as to appear as though everything is good and wonderful" as opposed to having open, honest debate, admit there's an issue, publicise that debate within will be held and from that a decision will be made, which may be that no change is made, as lets face it, some options put forward are crap and make things no better or make the league look mickey mouse just as much, just honesty and honesty in dealing with the fans is what we want.

Sad that Parko and people want to mislead to save face. That's poor leadership in anyone's book.

If I'm wrong in my workplace, I take the hit and rectify, being wrong doesn't make you a bad leader, no one is perfect, but don't cover up mistakes.

Can I come work for you?

[therisingblues]

So if the Queensland and New Souith Wales clubs can play in a competition that transcends state borders why cant the South australian teams? Surely the Crows and Power have more money than the non traditional clubs in those states. Its pretty much the same plane flight yeah? Adelaide - Melbourne as Brisbane to Sydney

NT also has a team in the comp

Hmmm, maybe their motives extend to destroying the AFL's biggest rival, rather than just needing a competition to play in?

[therisingblues]

Or perhaps it's a sign of how willing the AFL is to invest money in expansion while saving money in areas that have supported the game (rather than any one individual league) for over hundred years?

[am Bays]

Or perhaps it's a sign of how willing the AFL is to invest money in expansion while saving money in areas that have supported the game (rather than any one individual league) for over hundred years?

This

The AFL has no interest in a national reserves comp when all "reserves" teams are playing in a State league, this is a much cheaper option.

it can spend money elsewhere, Womens league, development markets (QLD Western Sydney), AFL listed players salaries, corporate junkets, international rules, meatloaf....

[johntheclaret]

This is what I hate about the leagues and the clubs...

The constant "we should withhold information and massage the truth so as to appear as though everything is good and wonderful" as opposed to having open, honest debate, admit there's an issue, publicise that debate within will be held and from that a decision will be made, which may be that no change is made, as lets face it, some options put forward are crap and make things no better or make the league look mickey mouse just as much, just honesty and honesty in dealing with the fans is what we want.

Sad that Parko and people want to mislead to save face. That's poor leadership in anyone's book.

If I'm wrong in my workplace, I take the hit and rectify, being wrong doesn't make you a bad leader, no one is perfect, but don't cover up mistakes.

Can I come work for you?

He works for SANFL

[Magellan]

Or perhaps it's a sign of how willing the AFL is to invest money in expansion while saving money in areas that have supported the game (rather than any one individual league) for over hundred years?

This

The AFL has no interest in a national reserves comp when all "reserves" teams are playing in a State league, this is a much cheaper option.

it can spend money elsewhere, Womens league, development markets (QLD Western Sydney), AFL listed players salaries, corporate junkets, international rules, meatloaf....

Yep, 100% agree. I think other factors are (a) the state leagues are scared of abandoning their subservient role to the AFL for fear of becoming irrelevant, and don't want to leave even if given the choice (as we saw threes years ago), and (b) the AFL would much prefer to have its fingers in as many competition pies as possible to create the (false) impression it is the governing body that represents the interests of the entire code, as opposed to one of several state competitions across the nation that re-badged itself with a national name and cultivated the biggest profile.

As far as the AFL are concerned, the reserves sides in state comps works well for them. Not broken, don't fix it. From a business point of view, I can understand that. As a body that is meant to govern the code, it's shit because it demonstrates a lack of respect for the comps that have their own history and tradition, made the game what it is in other states, and produced players as good as the VFL, and were certainly better managed financially.

[Booney]

Nobody cares about the integrity of the NEAFL. it only kicked off in 2011 so who in NSW/QLD gives a shit about that?

With Brisbane, Gold Coast and GWS ( all AFL run ) in there why would the AFL change that?

The biggest cost impost, the Victorian based sides have the VFL working for them. Why send up to 6 or 8 sides flying out of Victoria each week?

So, put that into perspective and it's the two WA and two SA based clubs who are the most likely to want an AFL reserves. 4 out of 18 clubs. It isn't going to happen.

[goddy11]

Nobody cares about the integrity of the NEAFL. it only kicked off in 2011 so who in NSW/QLD gives a shit about that?

With Brisbane, Gold Coast and GWS ( all AFL run ) in there why would the AFL change that?

The biggest cost impost, the Victorian based sides have the VFL working for them. Why send up to 6 or 8 sides flying out of Victoria each week?

So, put that into perspective and it's the two WA and two SA based clubs who are the most likely to want an AFL reserves. 4 out of 18 clubs. It isn't going to happen.

Booney , for a Port person you post some good and sensible stuff and your totally correct.

[mighty_tiger_79]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

[heater31]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

Well at the minute they are paying $400,000 to **** up the one they are currently in.....might not have a choice in the matter soon

[MatteeG]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

[Pseudo]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

Easy fix: ramp up the price to 1m, and charge the same to the smears. They don't pay, We don't play.

Watch them both trip over each other as they race across the border to the VFL.

[mighty_tiger_79]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

Yep, that's the stupidity of it all

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[UK Fan]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

Easy fix: ramp up the price to 1m, and charge the same to the smears. They don't pay, We don't play.

Watch them both trip over each other as they race across the border to the VFL.

Simple isn't it

[Hazydog]

Nobody cares about the integrity of the NEAFL. it only kicked off in 2011 so who in NSW/QLD gives a shit about that?

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The following (sourced from Wikipedia) does a fair job of describing the carnage around the formation of the NEAFL (which, lets face it , has been created purely for the convenience of the 4 AFL Reserves teams) Traditional Aussie Rules competitions and their rich histories left in tatters in its wake.

"A major restructure of the league was announced for the 2014 season. Five clubs left the competition and the conference system was abolished. Broadbeach, Labrador, Morningside and Mt. Gravatt joined a re-constructed Queensland Australian Football League, while Tuggeranong went back to the AFL Canberra Division One competition.[2] The possibility of a North Queensland side entering the competition for 2014 was considered but ruled out.[3]

Due to the financial challenges of participating in the competition and a proposal from the AFL for the existing Canberra clubs to contribute to a single Canberra team, Belconnen, Queanbeyan and the Sydney Hills Eagles chose to leave the NEAFL at the end of the 2014 season.[4][5] The ongoing desire by the AFL for a single Canberra team led Ainslie to withdraw at the end of the 2015 season. Both Canberra clubs - Ainslie and Eastlake - had a NEAFL licence until the end of 2016, but Ainslie withdrew from the competition after the AFL rejected their proposal to be Canberra's sole team from 2017. The AFL wanted Canberra's team to be either a combined Ainslie-Eastlake side or a representative team funded largely by all the local clubs in the Canberra area.[6]

Two teams changed their names prior to the 2016 season. Eastlake's NEAFL side started to play as the Canberra Demons in an attempt to be seen as Canberra's representative team in the NEAFL competition. The club wishes to provide a clear AFL pathway for local talent and to get rid of the baggage between other clubs in the ACT. As part of this decision the team also adopted a blue and gold guernsey for home games, reflecting the territory's traditional colours. The team will still wear Eastlake's red and black colours in away matches.[7] The Greater Western Sydney reserves team became known as the Western Sydney University Giants to reflect the re-branding of the university from University of Western Sydney.[8]

[MW]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

Yep, that's the stupidity of it all

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Well it's simple really.
AFL do not want an AFL reserves side so the fact Adelaide would need to fork out $500k for it is mute as it is not their decision.
SANFL agreed to have Adelaide in the SANFL at $400k and Adelaide accepted.

[Jim05]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

Easy fix: ramp up the price to 1m, and charge the same to the smears. They don't pay, We don't play.

Watch them both trip over each other as they race across the border to the VFL.

Except there were talks at VFL level last year and the general consensus is the clubs would vote no to accepting the Crows and Power. The VFL clubs don't want to foot the bill to travel interstate and the only way they would be part of it would be if someone stumps up the travel costs

[Pseudo]

The crows have said they don't want to fork out $500k to play in a AFL reserves comp

But they shell out 400k to play in the SANFL each year?

Easy fix: ramp up the price to 1m, and charge the same to the smears. They don't pay, We don't play.

Watch them both trip over each other as they race across the border to the VFL.

Except there were talks at VFL level last year and the general consensus is the clubs would vote no to accepting the Crows and Power. The VFL clubs don't want to foot the bill to travel interstate and the only way they would be part of it would be if someone stumps up the travel costs

Guess the interlopers will just have to pay the cool mill each then.

Ramp it up by another mill in each annual review of the setup.

[therisingblues]

Nobody cares about the integrity of the NEAFL. it only kicked off in 2011 so who in NSW/QLD gives a shit about that?

.

The following (sourced from Wikipedia) does a fair job of describing the carnage around the formation of the NEAFL (which, lets face it , has been created purely for the convenience of the 4 AFL Reserves teams) Traditional Aussie Rules competitions and their rich histories left in tatters in its wake.

"A major restructure of the league was announced for the 2014 season. Five clubs left the competition and the conference system was abolished. Broadbeach, Labrador, Morningside and Mt. Gravatt joined a re-constructed Queensland Australian Football League, while Tuggeranong went back to the AFL Canberra Division One competition.[2] The possibility of a North Queensland side entering the competition for 2014 was considered but ruled out.[3]

Due to the financial challenges of participating in the competition and a proposal from the AFL for the existing Canberra clubs to contribute to a single Canberra team, Belconnen, Queanbeyan and the Sydney Hills Eagles chose to leave the NEAFL at the end of the 2014 season.[4][5] The ongoing desire by the AFL for a single Canberra team led Ainslie to withdraw at the end of the 2015 season. Both Canberra clubs - Ainslie and Eastlake - had a NEAFL licence until the end of 2016, but Ainslie withdrew from the competition after the AFL rejected their proposal to be Canberra's sole team from 2017. The AFL wanted Canberra's team to be either a combined Ainslie-Eastlake side or a representative team funded largely by all the local clubs in the Canberra area.[6]

Two teams changed their names prior to the 2016 season. Eastlake's NEAFL side started to play as the Canberra Demons in an attempt to be seen as Canberra's representative team in the NEAFL competition. The club wishes to provide a clear AFL pathway for local talent and to get rid of the baggage between other clubs in the ACT. As part of this decision the team also adopted a blue and gold guernsey for home games, reflecting the territory's traditional colours. The team will still wear Eastlake's red and black colours in away matches.[7] The Greater Western Sydney reserves team became known as the Western Sydney University Giants to reflect the re-branding of the university from University of Western Sydney.[8]

Well I'm sure all those people involved with those clubs wet just dandy at helping the AFL bust up their leagues in order to facilitate their practice squads.
What's loyalty in footy anyway these days. It's a business! And the reason it's working is everyone just swallows it like coca cola. Bubbles and all!

Well done Hazy Dog for actually doing some research into what happened to those leagues instead of just contributing to the harmful silence regarding its fate, as preferred by the AFL. Many AFL types seem annoyed by our own lack of silence, for all anyone hears us!