Should Australia Day date be changed?

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Should Australia Day date be changed?

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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:35 am

Pseudo wrote:The middle of August would be good, only because it would give us a much needed public holiday in the four-month stretch between the Queen's Birthday and Labor Day.

i like the thought process behind that, but unfortunately August weather isn't conducive for skimpy "Australian flag design" bikini wearing..
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:36 am

Aerie wrote: I would just move the public holiday to the first Monday in December. Have a long weekend to celebrate our nation and the arrival of summer!

Align that with the scheduling of the Adel Oval test, and you've got a winner!
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Q. » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:36 am

Footy Chick wrote:
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Magellan wrote:That said, happy for it to be moved to a date. Not sure which date would be appropriate, though. Plenty of stakeholders to consult with!

The middle of August would be good, only because it would give us a much needed public holiday in the four-month stretch between the Queen's Birthday and Labor Day.



I pick August 9 - for purely selfish reasons 8) :lol:


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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:45 am

Q. wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
Pseudo wrote:
Magellan wrote:That said, happy for it to be moved to a date. Not sure which date would be appropriate, though. Plenty of stakeholders to consult with!

The middle of August would be good, only because it would give us a much needed public holiday in the four-month stretch between the Queen's Birthday and Labor Day.



I pick August 9 - for purely selfish reasons 8) :lol:


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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:53 am

Some time ago, HG Nelson once suggested that we needed another public holiday and suggested we make a day called Bludge day (i think) on August 9

That's all Australia Day is for mostly anyway (except the good folk being attending citizenship ceremonies etc)

Australia Day is what it is, I don't care when it is but i do object to it being changed just because people want to change history.


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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby FlyingHigh » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:43 pm

Zartan wrote:
Aerie wrote: I would just move the public holiday to the first Monday in December. Have a long weekend to celebrate our nation and the arrival of summer!

Align that with the scheduling of the Adel Oval test, and you've got a winner!


Good idea fellas, I like it. Until Sydney or Melbourne think they deserve some sort of cricket on that day when it becomes popular.

Personally, and selfishly, I like it when it is because I rarely get January holidays, at least extended ones, due to not having kids and the nature of other colleagues' work means it's their best time, so Jan 26 is like a beacon after the drudgery of working in early January. That might seem selfish, but then the whole day seems somewhat self-indulgent these days, certainly not as significant as other public holidays (Adelaide Cup excepted).
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby carey » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:02 pm

Is this not just a case of changing something for the sake of changing something? It seems to me, if we as a nation aren't up in arms about something like this no one is happy....

I seriously can not work why the need to change it is?
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby amber_fluid » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:11 pm

carey wrote:Is this not just a case of changing something for the sake of changing something? It seems to me, if we as a nation aren't up in arms about something like this no one is happy....

I seriously can not work why the need to change it is?


Of course that's why..... we hear the same bullsh*t reasons about this time every year.
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Magellan » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:11 pm

carey wrote:Is this not just a case of changing something for the sake of changing something? It seems to me, if we as a nation aren't up in arms about something like this no one is happy....

I seriously can not work why the need to change it is?

It'd be un-Australian not to have whinge. ;)
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:15 pm

Footy Chick wrote: Australia Day is what it is, I don't care when it is but i do object to it being changed just because people want to change history.

Never ignore history - it's the only way we can become better as a country.


I'm trying to understand this sentiment.
The proponents of changing the date wish to do so, because of history, not because they're trying to change history.
This is definitely not ignoring history, it's acknowledging.
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:40 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:
Footy Chick wrote: Australia Day is what it is, I don't care when it is but i do object to it being changed just because people want to change history.

Never ignore history - it's the only way we can become better as a country.


I'm trying to understand this sentiment.
The proponents of changing the date wish to do so, because of history, not because they're trying to change history.
This is definitely not ignoring history, it's acknowledging.


moving the date is acknowledging what, exactly? because this country constantly feels the need to apologise for things done generations and generations ago?.

There will always be aspects of any countries' history that no-one is proud of but people need to accept that that's the way it happened and ensure such atrocities don't happen again in the future. FFS people, this was 230 years ago. In 2017,whilst it's still far from perfect, it's definitely not like it was.

Of course we're all sorry that thousands of indigenous people were killed unnecessarily -but it happened and changing the date isn't going to change this, so why do it. That's just my logic, which as we all know sometimes isn't logical.. :oops:

Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby heater31 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 2:46 pm

Footy Chick wrote:Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?


What about the Turks? ;)
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby The Bedge » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:01 pm

Footy Chick wrote:
moving the date is acknowledging what, exactly? because this country constantly feels the need to apologise for things done generations and generations ago?.

There will always be aspects of any countries' history that no-one is proud of but people need to accept that that's the way it happened and ensure such atrocities don't happen again in the future. FFS people, this was 230 years ago. In 2017,whilst it's still far from perfect, it's definitely not like it was.

Of course we're all sorry that thousands of indigenous people were killed unnecessarily -but it happened and changing the date isn't going to change this, so why do it. That's just my logic, which as we all know sometimes isn't logical.. :oops:

Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?

Moving the date isn't about acknowledging anything - it's about allowing EVERYONE to feel comfortable to enjoy and celebrate the land we live in, everything great about it, it's culture and diversity.

Atrocities STARTED 230 yrs ago as you say.. Stolen Generation, inability to vote or be accepted as part of mainstream Australia. Help fight for the country in wars but come home and still be treated as less than equal. Slavery and Unfair work payments - paid small amounts even rations. Still not recognised in the Australian Constitution.. Loss of language, stories, culture etc. etc. etc.

What Australia Day represents to many, is not only events that took place 230 years ago, but the chain of events an impacts on lives since that day. That was the day that the whole culture of A&TSI people were changed forever.

Does that make sense?
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby PatowalongaPirate » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:13 pm

Aerie wrote:I've always thought of ANZAC Day as the most important national day and the time we can look back and be thankful for what previous Australians did for us to enable us to live the way we do today.

Australia Day should be moved from January 26 to respect those indigenous groups who view it as the day of invasion. I would just move the public holiday to the first Monday in December. Have a long weekend to celebrate our nation and the arrival of summer!


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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:37 pm

Zartan wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
moving the date is acknowledging what, exactly? because this country constantly feels the need to apologise for things done generations and generations ago?.

There will always be aspects of any countries' history that no-one is proud of but people need to accept that that's the way it happened and ensure such atrocities don't happen again in the future. FFS people, this was 230 years ago. In 2017,whilst it's still far from perfect, it's definitely not like it was.

Of course we're all sorry that thousands of indigenous people were killed unnecessarily -but it happened and changing the date isn't going to change this, so why do it. That's just my logic, which as we all know sometimes isn't logical.. :oops:

Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?

Moving the date isn't about acknowledging anything - it's about allowing EVERYONE to feel comfortable to enjoy and celebrate the land we live in, everything great about it, it's culture and diversity.

Atrocities STARTED 230 yrs ago as you say.. Stolen Generation, inability to vote or be accepted as part of mainstream Australia. Help fight for the country in wars but come home and still be treated as less than equal. Slavery and Unfair work payments - paid small amounts even rations. Still not recognised in the Australian Constitution.. Loss of language, stories, culture etc. etc. etc.

What Australia Day represents to many, is not only events that took place 230 years ago, but the chain of events an impacts on lives since that day. That was the day that the whole culture of A&TSI people were changed forever.

Does that make sense?


Absolutely and agree with every word.

But the date itself still needs to be recognised. Do we still acknowledge Jan 26 as a different holiday and then celebrate "Australia Day" to recognise everyone on a different date?
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby woodublieve12 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:40 pm

Footy Chick wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:
Footy Chick wrote: Australia Day is what it is, I don't care when it is but i do object to it being changed just because people want to change history.

Never ignore history - it's the only way we can become better as a country.


I'm trying to understand this sentiment.
The proponents of changing the date wish to do so, because of history, not because they're trying to change history.
This is definitely not ignoring history, it's acknowledging.


moving the date is acknowledging what, exactly? because this country constantly feels the need to apologise for things done generations and generations ago?.

There will always be aspects of any countries' history that no-one is proud of but people need to accept that that's the way it happened and ensure such atrocities don't happen again in the future. FFS people, this was 230 years ago. In 2017,whilst it's still far from perfect, it's definitely not like it was.

Of course we're all sorry that thousands of indigenous people were killed unnecessarily -but it happened and changing the date isn't going to change this, so why do it. That's just my logic, which as we all know sometimes isn't logical.. :oops:

Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?


Fair difference from immigrants to the indigenous people from our country!

I am for changing the date. Never used to bother me growing up, but the more I learned and the older I got I feel out of respect we should move it...

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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby woodublieve12 » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:41 pm

My birthday is September 11th probably best they stay away from that date
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Dogwatcher » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:51 pm

Footy Chick wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:
Footy Chick wrote: Australia Day is what it is, I don't care when it is but i do object to it being changed just because people want to change history.

Never ignore history - it's the only way we can become better as a country.


I'm trying to understand this sentiment.
The proponents of changing the date wish to do so, because of history, not because they're trying to change history.
This is definitely not ignoring history, it's acknowledging.


moving the date is acknowledging what, exactly? because this country constantly feels the need to apologise for things done generations and generations ago?.

There will always be aspects of any countries' history that no-one is proud of but people need to accept that that's the way it happened and ensure such atrocities don't happen again in the future. FFS people, this was 230 years ago. In 2017,whilst it's still far from perfect, it's definitely not like it was.

Of course we're all sorry that thousands of indigenous people were killed unnecessarily -but it happened and changing the date isn't going to change this, so why do it. That's just my logic, which as we all know sometimes isn't logical.. :oops:

Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?


I'm not debating Australia Day or even the debate happening here.
I'm questioning your statement where you firstly say that people wish to change history (which they don't - history has recorded what has passed since white settlement), but then say we shouldn't forget history.
It is a confusing statement.
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:57 pm

sorry, it's hard to put into writing.
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Re: Should Australia Day date be changed?

Postby Ronnie » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:59 pm

Zartan wrote:
Footy Chick wrote:
moving the date is acknowledging what, exactly? because this country constantly feels the need to apologise for things done generations and generations ago?.

There will always be aspects of any countries' history that no-one is proud of but people need to accept that that's the way it happened and ensure such atrocities don't happen again in the future. FFS people, this was 230 years ago. In 2017,whilst it's still far from perfect, it's definitely not like it was.

Of course we're all sorry that thousands of indigenous people were killed unnecessarily -but it happened and changing the date isn't going to change this, so why do it. That's just my logic, which as we all know sometimes isn't logical.. :oops:

Next we'll be changing the date of rememberence day or Anzac Day because it offends our German and Japanese population :roll: Sounds stupid doesn't it, but where does it end?

Moving the date isn't about acknowledging anything - it's about allowing EVERYONE to feel comfortable to enjoy and celebrate the land we live in, everything great about it, it's culture and diversity.

Atrocities STARTED 230 yrs ago as you say.. Stolen Generation, inability to vote or be accepted as part of mainstream Australia. Help fight for the country in wars but come home and still be treated as less than equal. Slavery and Unfair work payments - paid small amounts even rations. Still not recognised in the Australian Constitution.. Loss of language, stories, culture etc. etc. etc.

What Australia Day represents to many, is not only events that took place 230 years ago, but the chain of events an impacts on lives since that day. That was the day that the whole culture of A&TSI people were changed forever.

Does that make sense?


I hear you, but I'm not sure how changing the date is going to 'fix' any of that. Australia is not going to go back to a pre 1788 existence, which, for some people, was pretty horrible anyway. If your really saying that you reject everything that has happened since 1788 then, seriously, where does that leave you? Presumably not as a functioning member of society anyway. There has to be some engagement with reality.
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