Adelaide Footy League D7 - 2017

[morell]

Indeed. This is why I have constantly argued with everyone about this. You have to be outcome focused, not process focused to get where I am coming from. Which is very rare in football circles....

If you want to be a professional club that climbs divisions and wins flags - then that's your outcome, the processes that are then designed need to match that. If you want to develop juniors and provide a social link to the community - then that is your outcome, and the processes need to match that.

If you want to be financially sustainable and survive the short term - that is your outcome. Define the process to match that.

So often we have these processes (the rules and practices which impact our organisational culture) which don't match the desired outcome.

So yes, HT, we might be different clubs and have different desired outcomes, but the way humans collaborate and work together and the levers we can pull to change it are constant, definable and measurable.

[jo172]

As an example of what Morell was talking about I vividly remember one day out at Henley in our first foray into D1 where we had quite strict rules about showing up to games in black slacks, leather shoes and club polo. That year we had a series of off-field issues (and some plain old bad luck/unpreparedness for the step up to D1) and ended up winning 2 games.

Henley meanwhile lead the ladder at the end of the minor round and ultimately won a flag.

Didn't stop some old timers from Henley, remarking in front of me, "look how professional Payneham look when they rock up, why can't we do that?".

Classic failure to prioritise outcome over process by both camps in this story.

[morell]

jo172, without wanting to sound creepy, you just gave me a brain orgasm.

[Half Back Flanker]

At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success. That doesn't happen playing Pokemon Go or being a sooky la la. That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together. I understand there are blokes these days that wanna hug in a circle an sing kum ba yah, but there is also blokes who are committed footballers. Now you contradict yourself because you very rarely miss a session, so lets move on from this crap, get talking about this weeks footy!!!!

[zedman]

the great man has spoken!

whats this?

Mitchell Park Westminster OS Leck, Nicholas Pending 2017-05-16

[Lightning McQueen]

Mitchell Park to increase their percentage and tie up top spot at the half way mark with a comfortable win over Fluni.
Lutheran to continue the Units horror run with an away win.
St.Pauls should have enough fire power to keep their motor running against Adel Uni.
Will Para Hills bounce back and will the extra colour on their guensey get them over the line with the journey up Milne Road?

[morell]

At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.

There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?

That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.

Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.

Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.

They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.

[morell]

Mitchell Park to increase their percentage and tie up top spot at the half way mark with a comfortable win over Fluni.

Wont be easy, they were evens with TTG at quarter time and just ran out of legs. I am hoping to not have to play on Chesson

Lutheran to continue the Units horror run with an away win.

If you're looking for an upset, this is your chance.

St.Pauls should have enough fire power to keep their motor running against Adel Uni.

50/50 game

Will Para Hills bounce back and will the extra colour on their guensey get them over the line with the journey up Milne Road?

I am not sure what this means I need to de-LM it.

[The Bedge]

I am not sure what this means I need to de-LM it.

TTg are black and red.. PH are black, red and white

[human_torpedo]

At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.

There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?

That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.

Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.

Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.

They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.

Again, you're commenting and making opinions and judgements based purely on speculation because you actually don't know what they are trying to achieve.

OKC has stated training and football are down on his priority list. No shock, that's the case for a lot of players at a lot of clubs in div 5-7.. That doesn't mean Para Hills are wrong in doing what they are doing. How do you know it wasn't already planned in previous meetings with player and coach? you don't. What if Cree and Hanson were the only 2 players on the list not training so were dealt with accordingly? But, in doing so, every other player is training knowing that this is how things are? Is that a failure of process? I think not. Is going against your rules and what you are trying to establish as a culture within a club worth it for winning a round 6 game when you were already undefeated? Or is the message sent perhaps more valuable long term?

Every club is different so stop tyring to tar everything with the same brush. Players lack commitment and prioritise football less across the board, we have accepted that, stop trying to bring down people who are actively trying to establish ways of changing that, just because you disagree with the methods and process

[Lightning McQueen]

I am not sure what this means I need to de-LM it.

TTg are black and red.. PH are black, red and white

Milne Road is the most probable journey.

[OKC!]

At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.

There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?

That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.

Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.

Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.

They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.

Again, you're commenting and making opinions and judgements based purely on speculation because you actually don't know what they are trying to achieve.

OKC has stated training and football are down on his priority list. No shock, that's the case for a lot of players at a lot of clubs in div 5-7.. That doesn't mean Para Hills are wrong in doing what they are doing. How do you know it wasn't already planned in previous meetings with player and coach? you don't. What if Cree and Hanson were the only 2 players on the list not training so were dealt with accordingly? But, in doing so, every other player is training knowing that this is how things are? Is that a failure of process? I think not. Is going against your rules and what you are trying to establish as a culture within a club worth it for winning a round 6 game when you were already undefeated? Or is the message sent perhaps more valuable long term?

Every club is different so stop tyring to tar everything with the same brush. Players lack commitment and prioritise football less across the board, we have accepted that, stop trying to bring down people who are actively trying to establish ways of changing that, just because you disagree with the methods and process

Let me make myself clear. I was not playing last weekend regardless.

Having said that I know that if you dont train without valid reasons u dont play.

I do not mind playing reseves if I dont train. No one from para hills cares about that.

You are having a go at a bloke for apparently dropping guys that dont train, yet if he let peope do what they want, you would complain about that.

Div 7 footy is never going to have 100% commitment from players. But to say the coach is doing wrong is unfounded. You guys worry about your own clubs and thier processes and we do ours.

Although this is in a quote it is directed to no one in particular, i just find it a funny topic of discussion. We had 5.or 6 unavailable and lost by a couple of goals.

We will be fine.

[morell]

At the end of the day Morell, if you want your club to climb the divisions and get out of Div 7 you need to commit and build success.

There you go, so that is the desired outcome that we've all agreed upon. So what are the processes that we need to implement to ensure our chances of reaching that outcome?

That happens through a group of committed people with a common goal working together.

Exactly, so an agreed upon desired outcome. That has to come first, as it dictates what processes and procedures you implement.

Ergo, back to the original point, if the desired outcome for Para Hills is to increase training attendance, I think the process they implemented was incorrect. OKC! effectively confirmed this. Classic case of sticking to the process rather than focusing on the outcome. It's not right or wrong, it just doesn't match. It's counter intuitive. To me anyway.

They lost a game because of it. It might hurt, it might not, but it doesn't change the lack of organisational cultural knowledge exhibited.

Again, you're commenting and making opinions and judgements based purely on speculation because you actually don't know what they are trying to achieve.

I was going on carey's and others subsequent posts where they said they hadn't trained, so they got dropped to set standards raa di raa raa.

OKC has stated training and football are down on his priority list. No shock, that's the case for a lot of players at a lot of clubs in div 5-7.. That doesn't mean Para Hills are wrong in doing what they are doing. How do you know it wasn't already planned in previous meetings with player and coach? you don't. What if Cree and Hanson were the only 2 players on the list not training so were dealt with accordingly? But, in doing so, every other player is training knowing that this is how things are? Is that a failure of process? I think not. Is going against your rules and what you are trying to establish as a culture within a club worth it for winning a round 6 game when you were already undefeated? Or is the message sent perhaps more valuable long term?

Because of carey and others posts. Maybe carey got the wrong end of the stick I don't know.

Every club is different so stop tyring to tar everything with the same brush. Players lack commitment and prioritise football less across the board, we have accepted that, stop trying to bring down people who are actively trying to establish ways of changing that, just because you disagree with the methods and process

Organisation culture, change management and fundamental human psychology are very well founded, researched and proven academic fields.

If what carey said is accurate, then IMO they implemented the wrong process to change it.

That's just my thoughts though, you do you.

[morell]

At the end of the day, we've gained a few pages on those interlopers in the D6 thread for the annual safooty AdFL thread of the year. So everyone's a winner.

[morell]

safooty is such an odd place sometimes. For the first time in god knows how long there has actually been an interesting and engaging conversation about footy.

And people complain and want to shut it down! Whats wrong with chatting about what we'd do in certain circumstances or not?

"I like to center the ball from the pocket and think its wrong to take a shot"
Don't tell me what to do! You stick to what you want and well stick to ours

"Personally I like coneless drills as it encourages adaptability"
Don't tell me what to do! You stick to what you want and well stick to ours

I am not having a go at Para Hills or their coach or anyone, I just have a different thought process on what I would do. Would be a pretty boring place if all we did was give each other matey back slaps, exchange in jokes and offer up glib cliches - which is 90% of safooty.

Been a great chat IMO!

[OKC!]

Wasnt a go at anyone.

[morell]

Nah I know, just another safooty oddity.

[Footy Chick]

Wasnt a go at anyone.

We know, didn't even remotely come across that way either., so don't worry

[morell]

Its bucketing down here.

Might take the OKC! route.

[old farmer]

Its bucketing down here.

Might take the OKC! route.

What ? Put a skirt on and go to netball.....