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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Tue May 23, 2017 8:48 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:Dean Sayers really good appointment. Has a good relationship with Matthew Weeks I'm pretty sure which is the key. I wonder if he'll oversee the juniors as well?

Would be good for grade clubs to have a person overseeing both seniors and juniors with a wholistic view of the club and player development. Easy for clubs to be a bit A Grade-centric.

Don't know how it would work from a director role but from experience Deano was a very First Grade centric coach.....maybe because he was forced for results??
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2014 » Tue May 23, 2017 8:57 pm

heater31 wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Dean Sayers really good appointment. Has a good relationship with Matthew Weeks I'm pretty sure which is the key. I wonder if he'll oversee the juniors as well?

Would be good for grade clubs to have a person overseeing both seniors and juniors with a wholistic view of the club and player development. Easy for clubs to be a bit A Grade-centric.

Don't know how it would work from a director role but from experience Deano was a very First Grade centric coach.....maybe because he was forced for results??


I heard he was "Director of Cricket", including Seniors, Womens and Juniors, so hopefully he can help fix the Juniors problem there in retaining kids.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Tue May 23, 2017 8:59 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
heater31 wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Dean Sayers really good appointment. Has a good relationship with Matthew Weeks I'm pretty sure which is the key. I wonder if he'll oversee the juniors as well?

Would be good for grade clubs to have a person overseeing both seniors and juniors with a wholistic view of the club and player development. Easy for clubs to be a bit A Grade-centric.

Don't know how it would work from a director role but from experience Deano was a very First Grade centric coach.....maybe because he was forced for results??


I heard he was "Director of Cricket", including Seniors, Womens and Juniors, so hopefully he can help fix the Juniors problem there in retaining kids.



Or just find them in the first place.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby backoftheroom » Tue May 23, 2017 9:31 pm

Looks like there's been plenty of chatter while I was away on holidays!

Dickman to Woodville is such a questionable move, speaking to a few Woodville peoples they rolled their eyes but confirmed it which probably says enough right there.

Interesting idea with the 'wholistic' approach. From what I've seen it's great in theory but is down to the individuals to really commit to it. Plenty of clubs struggle enough to seniors to help out with junior teams so I can imagine it gets some internal push back if the big boys aren't the centre of attention. Does from my experience across all sports when it comes to juniors/seniors, add women's cricket in as well and it could be hard for one person to juggle all the wants and needs.

I'll get back to my reviews either tomorrow or the day after, still have last season's top 5 to go and they take a bit more time given their strength!
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Thu May 25, 2017 10:20 am

Eagles2014 wrote:
The Hound wrote:E2014, The Hound will provide up to date information when it comes to hand :D , would of thought Andrews would play 90% of his games at Pecker land (and bowl a lot of overs) so maybe they are targeting the young fella as a batter with Coles and the other Hoffman out


I am sure you will update us! Think that's true, young Hoffman and Dickman to add to batting depth. Don't know if Weatherley will be back from England, he was a gun and would ne massive loss to. Would put lot of pressure on Andrews and Nielsen.

Heard Dean Sayers been appointed at Port Adelaide as Director of Cricket for all teams, interesting appointment considering his falling out with all Clubs he gets involved with. No doubt he knows his cricket though. Also heard they are close to signing an Assistant Coach/Player who is a huge name, no idea who but they are talking it up!

Haberfield is a pretty big name.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Footy Smart » Thu May 25, 2017 1:35 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
Eagles2014 wrote:
The Hound wrote:E2014, The Hound will provide up to date information when it comes to hand :D , would of thought Andrews would play 90% of his games at Pecker land (and bowl a lot of overs) so maybe they are targeting the young fella as a batter with Coles and the other Hoffman out


I am sure you will update us! Think that's true, young Hoffman and Dickman to add to batting depth. Don't know if Weatherley will be back from England, he was a gun and would ne massive loss to. Would put lot of pressure on Andrews and Nielsen.

Heard Dean Sayers been appointed at Port Adelaide as Director of Cricket for all teams, interesting appointment considering his falling out with all Clubs he gets involved with. No doubt he knows his cricket though. Also heard they are close to signing an Assistant Coach/Player who is a huge name, no idea who but they are talking it up!

Haberfield is a pretty big name.


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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2017 » Fri May 26, 2017 12:08 am

Is the SACAs plan still to include the u19s in 1st grade next year? If so surely a 6 team finals! 4 out of 14 is borderline ridiculous
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby backoftheroom » Fri May 26, 2017 10:32 am

Eagles2017 wrote:Is the SACAs plan still to include the u19s in 1st grade next year? If so surely a 6 team finals! 4 out of 14 is borderline ridiculous


Very consistent murmurs that they have canned the 19's idea for next season at this stage.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Bulls forever » Fri May 26, 2017 10:50 am

The relevance of the U19 addition is no longer an issue. I think the clubs have made it clear they would rather have a bye than lose their U19's. A 14th team is long in the future, two divisions would create a haves and have nots with all potential or current high performance players having to play in Div 1. The clubs have made it clear that they will not take decisive action to reduce the number of clubs, no one wants to merge, so 13 it is into the foreseeable future.

So the end result is we have a second tier competition that bears no relevance to high performance, there are numerous examples of that last year.
Fergie having two nets against the Bulls, but no he can't field at all.
Bowlers either not being allowed to bowl on Sat cause they have futures game starting Monday or only being able to bowl 10 overs.
Dalton making runs for fun in grade, it was only when he scored runs for second 11 he got a start, despite Raph's continual lack of runs.

So the GC committee have the competition they want where it is all about their club and nothing to do with their relevance to high performance or producing state and test cricketers.

The Premier League is here to stay.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Trader » Fri May 26, 2017 11:19 am

I said it three years ago.
SACA should continue to expand the Premier League, to the point that it is 8 teams and plays most weekends.
Make grade cricket redundant and before long, simply stop running a grade comp.
Those clubs that still want to exist, can do so, they just won't have a comp to play in.
They can then either play against themselves, or join ATCA.

No clubs forced to merge & we get a reasonable top tier comp.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2017 » Fri May 26, 2017 6:39 pm

Trader wrote:I said it three years ago.
SACA should continue to expand the Premier League, to the point that it is 8 teams and plays most weekends.
Make grade cricket redundant and before long, simply stop running a grade comp.
Those clubs that still want to exist, can do so, they just won't have a comp to play in.
They can then either play against themselves, or join ATCA.

No clubs forced to merge & we get a reasonable top tier comp.


Agree SACA will definitely continue to prioritise premier league but they couldnt possibly stop running the A grade comp, they will always require the A grade comp as a feeder league. Would be no way of identifying talent without it
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Fri May 26, 2017 8:29 pm

If there were 8 A Grade teams would SACA suddenly start using the grade competition to pick players for Shield cricket? I tend to think it would still be more about Redbacks training, Future's matches, Shield performances and their opinions of the players.

I don't think it matters whether there are 8, 12 or 14 grade clubs. There is a separation between high performance cricket and amateur cricket.

Spoke to a former SA/Aus player about this and he said that all you need to be able to do with the grade competion is see who the best players are. Then get those players into the State U17, State U19, Futures, Emerging Redbacks... or whatever system as the case may be.

It doesn't matter if there are 8-14 clubs, whether it is compulsory declaration, 90 or 96 overs in a day, predominantly one or two dayers, second innings bonus points, bye... etc. All that stuff is irrelevant.

Premier League has 4 teams I know but I've heard it described as a 'NAB Cup' and simply a chance to give the players a decent hit on turf during the preseason rather than a competition where performances directly lead to state representation.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Aeropti » Fri May 26, 2017 9:23 pm

Trevor Keen (east torrens) to prospect. Had a good season in the 2s
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Trader » Sun May 28, 2017 12:28 pm

TC, agreed an 8 team comp wont lead to direct selection for the redbacks, and that all those specialist comps you mentioned will still carry the most weight.
However, the benefit of an 8 team comp over 14, is that when the guys aren't playing in the U19, emerging redbacks, etc, they go and play in a comp that is much stronger. Instead of spreading the second tier talent over 14 sides, they are spread over just 8, meaning the 3rd and 4th bowler you face are still bloody good. It improves everyone in those 8 teams, and closes the gap between amateur and high performance.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby bunji » Sun May 28, 2017 3:12 pm

8 teams are much more sustainable in the long term, it would force much more direct accountability.

The Redbacks League long term is questionable in terms of what it is giving back and it's lack of culture, we already have most of the 23+ players not interested due to employment etc, I am sure that with a 8 team comp the resourcing/culture is sustainable and we have a much more viable long term plan.My major concern is that the amount of 23+ players going through to first class cricket is being reduced, I believe this is a flaw in the thinking of high performance environments in Australian cricket today. It may reflect an insular environment within cricket in this country and therefore risks holding back our progress, I would like to see many more of our coaches being exposed to other sports and their knowledge base, it is only over the last 2 years that SACA have finally started to use the skills of AFL people in their coaching environment (Schwerdt/Warwick Raymond)

I would like to see AFL coaching people who are a major resource having more exchange of coaching methodology into the cricket environment.

The negativity around grade cricket is consistent across Australia, as a state SA having 13/14 teams will continue to be painful however if you talk to the lads who have played across 2 or 3 different states many of them will tell you that the differences in standards are neglible. The constant debate in Adelaide is counter productive, I would personally like to see less posturing from SACA and more focus on player development and ensuring that the identified talent goes through to become quality first class cricketers. The fact that they wanted West Torrens who completely dominated the competition last season out of the competition, is laughable and reflects the lack of knowledge of many of the decision makers about what is really going on in the grade cricket environment.

By engaging an independent review process we will get a more objective set of recommendations, no club is going to want to merge so then it becomes about establishing standards and sticking to them. Yes two divisions may move to haves and have nots but it will create better standards, I am still confused as to why SACA are using Cricket Australia accreditation standards but they don't make the results public - this needs to change.

The example of Ryan Gibson in NSW who can make 1000 runs a season in grade cricket as a 23 year old, having been through all rep cricket with NSW and only last season finally get offered a contract just tells you that there is little difference in standards across the states. The comments about Dalton making runs for fun are interesting, he has always been a significant talent with obvious technical strengths however it has taken a considerable amount of time to get some consistency in his mental approach and his record shows that inconsistency. This is the first season we have seen the required mental consistency.

I find it disappointing that I am consistently hearing this negativity about SA grade cricket , yes 8 teams will give us a better standard without doubt but preparing any player out of grade cricket in Australia to face Cummins, Pattinson etc etc is challenging and that is what high performance departments are for. It is unfair for people to expect part time semi-professional cricketers to compete against full time international cricketers being paid anywhere from $600000 a year to $2 million a year by CA etc etc. To make the progression from Futures League to first class cricket is significant so the quality of coaching is critical. Coaching standards in cricket in Australia need to improve and reflect outdated management processes eminating from Cricket Australia.

A major issue right now is the current player payment negotiations, Cricket Australia are threatening to withdraw $4.5million dollars of ACA funding which would decimate grade cricket in Australia as close to $1million dollars of that money is to pay for first class cricketers/coaches to remain a part of the grade cricket environment in Australia.

Each club has their local biases and that is a given and understandable. SACA has to a role to manage cricket and their ability to improve their processes right now will ultimately determine the success of South Australian cricket over the next ten years.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Mon May 29, 2017 11:20 am

The Hound wrote:E2014, The Hound will provide up to date information when it comes to hand :D , would of thought Andrews would play 90% of his games at Pecker land (and bowl a lot of overs) so maybe they are targeting the young fella as a batter with Coles and the other Hoffman out


E2014 - One of the new coaching staff at Pecker land may need to aquatint himself with the SACA clearance policy for junior players :oops: , an approach was made :roll: but I don't believe there will be to much movement :lol:
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2014 » Mon May 29, 2017 3:43 pm

The Hound wrote:
The Hound wrote:E2014, The Hound will provide up to date information when it comes to hand :D , would of thought Andrews would play 90% of his games at Pecker land (and bowl a lot of overs) so maybe they are targeting the young fella as a batter with Coles and the other Hoffman out


E2014 - One of the new coaching staff at Pecker land may need to aquatint himself with the SACA clearance policy for junior players :oops: , an approach was made :roll: but I don't believe there will be to much movement :lol:


Glad to hear that. Hate it when good junior players leave clubs, mainly because their ego gets the better of them when they get approached by other Clubs. The only reason they should be leaving is if they are playing 2nd Grade and it looks like limited opportunities in 1st Grade. Hoffman was getting plenty of chances and can't see any reason why he would want to leave a good Club he has grown up playing for.

We have lost quite a few good juniors over last few years, mainly Country kids, who think they are better than they are and should be playing higher. Seeing as though we won GF with all locals bar keeper Drennan from QLD, hard to see where any of them would have fitted. Classic was Joel Tilbrook who was handed couple of 1st Grade games due to our massive injuries last year, but Dad was still not happy, ended up playing 3rd Grade at Glenelg after College cricket finished.

Who is the new coach (assistant) at Woodville, McNally survive? Whispers he was under the pump.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Mon May 29, 2017 4:07 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
The Hound wrote:
The Hound wrote:E2014, The Hound will provide up to date information when it comes to hand :D , would of thought Andrews would play 90% of his games at Pecker land (and bowl a lot of overs) so maybe they are targeting the young fella as a batter with Coles and the other Hoffman out


E2014 - One of the new coaching staff at Pecker land may need to aquatint himself with the SACA clearance policy for junior players :oops: , an approach was made :roll: but I don't believe there will be to much movement :lol:


Glad to hear that. Hate it when good junior players leave clubs, mainly because their ego gets the better of them when they get approached by other Clubs. The only reason they should be leaving is if they are playing 2nd Grade and it looks like limited opportunities in 1st Grade. Hoffman was getting plenty of chances and can't see any reason why he would want to leave a good Club he has grown up playing for.

We have lost quite a few good juniors over last few years, mainly Country kids, who think they are better than they are and should be playing higher. Seeing as though we won GF with all locals bar keeper Drennan from QLD, hard to see where any of them would have fitted. Classic was Joel Tilbrook who was handed couple of 1st Grade games due to our massive injuries last year, but Dad was still not happy, ended up playing 3rd Grade at Glenelg after College cricket finished.

Who is the new coach (assistant) at Woodville, McNally survive? Whispers he was under the pump.


Not sure what role they have taken on E2014 but is a former player at Gliderol who played a couple of Shield and Mercantile Mutual Cup games
Understand your frustration with country players, why can't kids just be patient these days :-?
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Eagles2014 » Mon May 29, 2017 4:25 pm

Considering they play golf together most weeks, my guess would be Theo Doropolous, from Channel 7. We played Bays a few times last year and he was always out watching. Understand then if talking to young Bay players!
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby wedgetail » Mon May 29, 2017 11:10 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
The Hound wrote:
The Hound wrote:E2014, The Hound will provide up to date information when it comes to hand :D , would of thought Andrews would play 90% of his games at Pecker land (and bowl a lot of overs) so maybe they are targeting the young fella as a batter with Coles and the other Hoffman out


E2014 - One of the new coaching staff at Pecker land may need to aquatint himself with the SACA clearance policy for junior players :oops: , an approach was made :roll: but I don't believe there will be to much movement :lol:


Glad to hear that. Hate it when good junior players leave clubs, mainly because their ego gets the better of them when they get approached by other Clubs. The only reason they should be leaving is if they are playing 2nd Grade and it looks like limited opportunities in 1st Grade. Hoffman was getting plenty of chances and can't see any reason why he would want to leave a good Club he has grown up playing for.

We have lost quite a few good juniors over last few years, mainly Country kids, who think they are better than they are and should be playing higher. Seeing as though we won GF with all locals bar keeper Drennan from QLD, hard to see where any of them would have fitted. Classic was Joel Tilbrook who was handed couple of 1st Grade games due to our massive injuries last year, but Dad was still not happy, ended up playing 3rd Grade at Glenelg after College cricket finished.

Who is the new coach (assistant) at Woodville, McNally survive? Whispers he was under the pump.


Agree with the Tilbrook comment. He was a nice kid but a very early maturer and circumstances at the Eagles in 15/16 gave him a chance he would not normally have got. Other players have now caught up maturity wise and gone past him. Hope he does well but can't really see him playing more than 2nd/3rd grade at best for GDCC.
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