by bennymacca » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:47 pm
by HH3 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:50 pm
bennymacca wrote:Have the no side brought any respectful debate to the table? That argument goes both ways.
by stan » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:19 pm
You mean the ones that appear in commercials?HH3 wrote:bennymacca wrote:Have the no side brought any respectful debate to the table? That argument goes both ways.
The No side have to hide their beliefs with the fear of losing their jobs at the moment.
The ones in the public eye anyway.
by HH3 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:30 pm
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:25 pm
HH3 wrote:There's also people who work for larger companies that are publicly supporting the YES vote who fear for their jobs if they don't tow the company line at work. Effectively stifling discussion. Just because they're made to feel like they can't share their own views at work, doesn't mean they're not going to vote however they choose.
There's a guy here at work. I'm his boss. He's old school, rough around the edges, and was staunchly in the NO side. I doubt he's going to actually vote. BUT, whenever the subject comes up, we discuss it. He says some outlandish stuff, but not once have I called him names. Not once has he used a slur while talking about gay people. It was a discussion. He's a lot more accepting than he was when he started here two years ago. That's how you change someones mind who has thought that way for 40+ years. Not tell them they're wrong, they're a homophobe, a bigot, etc. They're just gonna go "f**k you" and not even think about changing their mind.
by Q. » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:59 pm
When someone being aggressive at you is more important than equality for an entire section of people. The veil is thin.Jimmy_041 wrote:Someone watching this, but not participating, just rang me to say they are now voting No because they're sick of the bully boy attitude of the Yes voters
Like me, he had the "phone call".
There are a couple here in my business who have also had the aggressive & intrusive phone call
To me, it's now turning from the reasons why or why not to an anger response vote
by Jimmy_041 » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:09 pm
Q. wrote:When someone being aggressive at you is more important than equality for an entire section of people. The veil is thin.Jimmy_041 wrote:Someone watching this, but not participating, just rang me to say they are now voting No because they're sick of the bully boy attitude of the Yes voters
Like me, he had the "phone call".
There are a couple here in my business who have also had the aggressive & intrusive phone call
To me, it's now turning from the reasons why or why not to an anger response vote
by tipper » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:57 am
by bennymacca » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:23 am
by tipper » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:13 pm
bennymacca wrote:Great post tipper
by Dogwatcher » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:14 pm
by HH3 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:33 pm
by MW » Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:43 pm
by tipper » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:47 pm
MW wrote:My mum is voting no as a Christian. If they called is something other than 'marriage' she would have voted yes but the bible defines 'marriage' as between a woman and man.
I wonder how many other 'yes' votes they could get from the Christians if they call it something different than marriage but with the same rights as marriage?
by MW » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:51 pm
tipper wrote:MW wrote:My mum is voting no as a Christian. If they called is something other than 'marriage' she would have voted yes but the bible defines 'marriage' as between a woman and man.
I wonder how many other 'yes' votes they could get from the Christians if they call it something different than marriage but with the same rights as marriage?
why should a definition, from a book i dont read, from a religeon i dont follow, determine anything at all that i do?
at least with this i can actually understand their reasoning (even though i strongly disagree), and good on her for sticking to her beliefs. what i cant understand, is why anyone wants to force their beliefs on others. if you believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, great. dont marry someone of the same sex. why should that stop me marrying a bloke if i choose to do so? it has no affect on her whatsoever, yet she is actively trying to prevent me from doing so, by voting against it.
by Dogwatcher » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:56 pm
by HH3 » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:57 pm
Dogwatcher wrote:I'm an atheist. I don't see any Christians lining up to tell me my marriage isn't authentic.
by tipper » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:00 pm
MW wrote:tipper wrote:MW wrote:My mum is voting no as a Christian. If they called is something other than 'marriage' she would have voted yes but the bible defines 'marriage' as between a woman and man.
I wonder how many other 'yes' votes they could get from the Christians if they call it something different than marriage but with the same rights as marriage?
why should a definition, from a book i dont read, from a religeon i dont follow, determine anything at all that i do?
at least with this i can actually understand their reasoning (even though i strongly disagree), and good on her for sticking to her beliefs. what i cant understand, is why anyone wants to force their beliefs on others. if you believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, great. dont marry someone of the same sex. why should that stop me marrying a bloke if i choose to do so? it has no affect on her whatsoever, yet she is actively trying to prevent me from doing so, by voting against it.
It shouldn't if you are not Christian.
If the 'no' vote is based on Christianity, it's due to their beliefs. Why would they vote 'yes' when it's something they don't believe in?
For the record, I am a Christian but will be voting yes.
by Booney » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:04 pm
MW wrote:tipper wrote:MW wrote:My mum is voting no as a Christian. If they called is something other than 'marriage' she would have voted yes but the bible defines 'marriage' as between a woman and man.
I wonder how many other 'yes' votes they could get from the Christians if they call it something different than marriage but with the same rights as marriage?
why should a definition, from a book i dont read, from a religeon i dont follow, determine anything at all that i do?
at least with this i can actually understand their reasoning (even though i strongly disagree), and good on her for sticking to her beliefs. what i cant understand, is why anyone wants to force their beliefs on others. if you believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, great. dont marry someone of the same sex. why should that stop me marrying a bloke if i choose to do so? it has no affect on her whatsoever, yet she is actively trying to prevent me from doing so, by voting against it.
It shouldn't if you are not Christian.
If the 'no' vote is based on Christianity, it's due to their beliefs. Why would they vote 'yes' when it's something they don't believe in?
For the record, I am a Christian but will be voting yes.
by Booney » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:07 pm
HH3 wrote:Dogwatcher wrote:I'm an atheist. I don't see any Christians lining up to tell me my marriage isn't authentic.
Did you marry a woman?
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