What is your vote

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Re: What is your vote

Postby bennymacca » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:27 pm

it already has though - you can get married in a civil ceremony without the church anywhere near it
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Re: What is your vote

Postby MW » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:29 pm

bennymacca wrote:it already has though - you can get married in a civil ceremony without the church anywhere near it


But can a gay couple get married in a civil ceremony?

Will passing a "yes" vote and making it legal for gays to marry force churches to allow them to marry in a church? Or can churches reject them?
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Re: What is your vote

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:32 pm

MW wrote:
bennymacca wrote:it already has though - you can get married in a civil ceremony without the church anywhere near it


But can a gay couple get married in a civil ceremony?

Will passing a "yes" vote and making it legal for gays to marry force churches to allow them to marry in a church? Or can churches reject them?


Churches will be under no obligation to marry same sex couples.
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Re: What is your vote

Postby HH3 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:36 pm

That's another point I've tried to make before. If it's so important to be legally the same, why not campaign for "civil unions (or whatever you want to call them) besides "marriage".

That'd be a much quicker, easier process. With a lot less opposition.
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Re: What is your vote

Postby MW » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:38 pm

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:
bennymacca wrote:it already has though - you can get married in a civil ceremony without the church anywhere near it


But can a gay couple get married in a civil ceremony?

Will passing a "yes" vote and making it legal for gays to marry force churches to allow them to marry in a church? Or can churches reject them?


Churches will be under no obligation to marry same sex couples.


This is my point.
Like HH3 said, campaign for the right for 'civil union', not marriage. Like it or not, 'marriage' is a religious act.
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Re: What is your vote

Postby woodublieve12 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:41 pm

MW wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:
bennymacca wrote:it already has though - you can get married in a civil ceremony without the church anywhere near it


But can a gay couple get married in a civil ceremony?

Will passing a "yes" vote and making it legal for gays to marry force churches to allow them to marry in a church? Or can churches reject them?


Churches will be under no obligation to marry same sex couples.


This is my point.
Like HH3 said, campaign for the right for 'civil union', not marriage. Like it or not, 'marriage' is a religious act.

So my wife and I aren't "married" because a priest didn't wed us???
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Re: What is your vote

Postby HH3 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:47 pm

WUB, would you be opposed to the law being passed instantly, and it being called a "civil union" with identical legalities as marriage?

Or does it have to be called "marriage" or nothing?
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Re: What is your vote

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:48 pm

I got married in a big pub by some old boiler in a pants suit. :lol:
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Re: What is your vote

Postby tipper » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:49 pm

MW wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:
bennymacca wrote:it already has though - you can get married in a civil ceremony without the church anywhere near it


But can a gay couple get married in a civil ceremony?

Will passing a "yes" vote and making it legal for gays to marry force churches to allow them to marry in a church? Or can churches reject them?


Churches will be under no obligation to marry same sex couples.


This is my point.
Like HH3 said, campaign for the right for 'civil union', not marriage. Like it or not, 'marriage' is a religious act.


no it isnt. im married and i dont believe in god, and we werent anywhere near a church.

opposite sex couples can get married without any mention of God, but just try doing it without the permission of the government

edited to add: the argument about marriage being a religious act was lost decades ago (was it the 60's??) when the churches allowed the government in on the act. since then, it has been a contract between two people and the government, nothing more. some couples like to dress it up with religious symbolism, others dont, and neither is wrong.

if we had to have a churches permission to marry, it would be a valid point. but again, that point was conceded decades ago
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Re: What is your vote

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:49 pm

HH3 wrote:WUB, would you be opposed to the law being passed instantly, and it being called a "civil union" with identical legalities as marriage?

Or does it have to be called "marriage" or nothing?


So, Mr and Mr or Mrs and Mrs, you can have the same rights as us but you can't call it the same thing?

I'd be pissed too!
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Re: What is your vote

Postby tipper » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:51 pm

HH3 wrote:That's another point I've tried to make before. If it's so important to be legally the same, why not campaign for "civil unions (or whatever you want to call them) besides "marriage".

That'd be a much quicker, easier process. With a lot less opposition.


it wouldnt be actually. amending the current act, is simple. just change the wording back to what it was before Johnny howard changed it. job done.

intorducing a completely new piece of legislation would be much more difficult. that and it would still be treating same sex couples "differently" as they had to have their own legislation, not the same legislation as everyone else
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Re: What is your vote

Postby MW » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:51 pm

Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.
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Re: What is your vote

Postby Booney » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:52 pm

MW wrote:Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.


You won't and that's what has bred the acrimony between the two sides, there's two sides not willing to discuss the "why" it's just the "is".
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Re: What is your vote

Postby tipper » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:53 pm

MW wrote:Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.


tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?
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Re: What is your vote

Postby HH3 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:53 pm

Booney wrote:
HH3 wrote:WUB, would you be opposed to the law being passed instantly, and it being called a "civil union" with identical legalities as marriage?

Or does it have to be called "marriage" or nothing?


So, Mr and Mr or Mrs and Mrs, you can have the same rights as us but you can't call it the same thing?

I'd be pissed too!


Why?

You'd forego what you're fighting for over a word?
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Re: What is your vote

Postby MW » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:54 pm

tipper wrote:
MW wrote:Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.


tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?


You're kidding aren't you?
The biggest voice in this whole campaign is how pathetic 'no' voters are.
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Re: What is your vote

Postby jakovasaurus » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:55 pm

Definitely voting yes. Hoping former tenants haven't updated details so I can vote yes multiple times.

Disgusting that it's reached the point of a vote. The real gutless, piss weak bigots are the ones in Canberra.

The sooner bullshit religions die out the better off.
Although before they do, I wouldn't mind a vote on whether the pedo protectors should be paying taxes.
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Re: What is your vote

Postby tipper » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:59 pm

MW wrote:
tipper wrote:
MW wrote:Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.


tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?


You're kidding aren't you?
The biggest voice in this whole campaign is how pathetic 'no' voters are.


and how is that forcing their beliefs onto the no side?
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Re: What is your vote

Postby MW » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:02 pm

I say again, you're kidding aren't you?
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Re: What is your vote

Postby tipper » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:03 pm

MW wrote:I say again, you're kidding aren't you?


no. i dont see any smilies in my post.

how is that forcing their views on the no side?
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