What is your vote

[Booney]

WUB, would you be opposed to the law being passed instantly, and it being called a "civil union" with identical legalities as marriage?

Or does it have to be called "marriage" or nothing?

So, Mr and Mr or Mrs and Mrs, you can have the same rights as us but you can't call it the same thing?

I'd be pissed too!

Why?

You'd forego what you're fighting for over a word?

We're talking about equality for human beings and there's no way in hell that I'd support a movement fighting for equality when they'd be willing to take a little less just to get it across the line.

[MW]

I say again, you're kidding aren't you?

no. i dont see any smilies in my post.

how is that forcing their views on the no side?

All good tipper. Play on.

[tipper]

I say again, you're kidding aren't you?

no. i dont see any smilies in my post.

how is that forcing their views on the no side?

All good tipper. Play on.

not answering the question then?

i get that for many reasons, people dont believe in ssm. however, i dont get voting no about it. it doesnt affect them, but by voting no they are actively trying to force their beliefs onto people they dont even know (although id bet pretty well everyone knows someone who is gay, they just might not know it) yet some of the no voting believers are the very first people to squeal about others affecting them. its more than a little hipocritical

[bennymacca]

Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.

tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?

Aren't the Christians trying to tell other people that their religion says marriage doesn't include you?

Isn't that exactly "forcing your beliefs" onto people that don't actually care about your religion?

[Booney]

Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.

tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?

Aren't the Christians trying to tell other people that their religion says marriage doesn't include you?

Isn't that exactly "forcing your beliefs" onto people that don't actually care about your religion?

In turn, isn't telling someone they have to vote yes forcing your opinions on them?

Devils advocate for discussion purposes.

[tipper]

Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.

tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?

Aren't the Christians trying to tell other people that their religion says marriage doesn't include you?

Isn't that exactly "forcing your beliefs" onto people that don't actually care about your religion?

yes. thats my point

[tipper]

Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.

tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?

Aren't the Christians trying to tell other people that their religion says marriage doesn't include you?

Isn't that exactly "forcing your beliefs" onto people that don't actually care about your religion?

In turn, isn't telling someone they have to vote yes forcing your opinions on them?

Devils advocate for discussion purposes.

never said they had to vote yes Boonster. just that they shouldnt vote no

[Booney]

[MW]

mind...blown

[HH3]

never said they had to vote yes Boonster. just that they shouldnt vote no

If you read back a bit, people have been questioning why people aren't voting.

[Jase]

Yes you are married, that's the way it is set up now.
I don't know what the right or wrong set up is, like I said I will be voting yes.
I'm just trying to work out the best way to get around the 'no' voters who are voting 'no' purely on religious beliefs.

tell them to stop forcing their beliefs onto others. i dont force my beliefs onto them. what makes them think they can do it?

Aren't the Christians trying to tell other people that their religion says marriage doesn't include you?

Isn't that exactly "forcing your beliefs" onto people that don't actually care about your religion?

Please don't broad brush stroke all Christians with this...

You will be surprised how many are voting YES...

But lazy stereotypes are just that, Lazy...

[HH3]

We're talking about equality for human beings and there's no way in hell that I'd support a movement fighting for equality when they'd be willing to take a little less just to get it across the line.

So if the YES side came out and said, "Vote YES for civil unions, with the same legal rights a marriage brings, but its called something different!", you'd vote no?

[tipper]

never said they had to vote yes Boonster. just that they shouldnt vote no

If you read back a bit, people have been questioning why people aren't voting.

i actually get that more than i get voting no. some people feel that it doesnt affect them, so are standing aside. fine. but to go out of your way (even if it isnt that far out of your way with this postal vote) to continue to discriminate against others? thats not right.

it would be like voting to continue slavery. or voting against giving women the vote. im not going to ask that "believers" vote yes, i understand why they wouldnt. but to try to force their beliefs onto others is wrong.

[Booney]

We're talking about equality for human beings and there's no way in hell that I'd support a movement fighting for equality when they'd be willing to take a little less just to get it across the line.

So if the YES side came out and said, "Vote YES for civil unions, with the same legal rights a marriage brings, but its called something different!", you'd vote no?

That's not a hypothetical even worth entertaining.

[therisingblues]

never said they had to vote yes Boonster. just that they shouldnt vote no

While I can respect the way that you can calmly discuss it Tipper, there are others that will go to some lengths to shut down any noise of opposition.

Take Margaret Court for example. While I don't agree with her, all she did was express her opinion, without the vitriol. I don't think it helps society to gang up on people with a different point of view. You end up forcing those views underground. One of these days the politically correct crowd are going to be extremely wrong about something very important, and people who speak out will be few and far between for fear of getting blasted on Twitter/Facebook/YouTube etc. Or have their achievements dragged through the gutter. Society needs to grow up and realise that the line has been drawn too far from center.

[HH3]

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[HH3]

We're talking about equality for human beings and there's no way in hell that I'd support a movement fighting for equality when they'd be willing to take a little less just to get it across the line.

So if the YES side came out and said, "Vote YES for civil unions, with the same legal rights a marriage brings, but its called something different!", you'd vote no?

That's not a hypothetical even worth entertaining.

I'll take that as a "no comment" then.

[bennymacca]

In turn, isn't telling someone they have to vote yes forcing your opinions on them?

Devils advocate for discussion purposes.

nope, because a gay person's ability to get married doesnt affect the lives of those people that want to vote no

We're talking about equality for human beings and there's no way in hell that I'd support a movement fighting for equality when they'd be willing to take a little less just to get it across the line.

So if the YES side came out and said, "Vote YES for civil unions, with the same legal rights a marriage brings, but its called something different!", you'd vote no?

but you arent getting equality then. you are getting "you're still different to the rest of us but you can get married too"

Please don't broad brush stroke all Christians with this...

You will be surprised how many are voting YES...

But lazy stereotypes are just that, Lazy...

the main argument ive heard against gay marriage is a religious one - not all christians are against it as you have pointed out.

[HH3]

but you arent getting equality then. you are getting "you're still different to the rest of us but you can get married too"

Isn't that the whole point?

Is Abstudy wrong, because white Australians get Austudy?

You're different than us, but you can get an education too.

[Gozu]

Take Margaret Court for example. While I don't agree with her, all she did was express her opinion, without the vitriol.

I hear what you're saying and agree with it really but people like Margaret Court are free to express their opinions and what the other side often forget is that people are free to express their disagreement too. Do I find her opinion offensive? Yes, it's an antiquated backwards opinion but she's entitled to it.