2017 Off-Season

[Booney]

Me too, but I'd almost be tempted to say they had their chance and add some genuine individual star power via the draft. Who knows, two quality 1st round selections might have strengthened their 2018 side anyway. But again they know the draft pool far better than I do and Hamish Ogilvie is one of the best in the business.

History suggests that not too many draftees make a big impact in under 12 months, there are exceptions but it is a lot like fishing.

You get pick 74 come out and be an absolute gun where pick 6 could be a dud at AFL level.

For sure there's a lot of uncertainty about any draftee's, but that cuts both ways. Think the Crows will need to add a bit more this draft, effectively losing Lever, Cameron and Smith, with one incoming quality player thus far. Jacobs 30 next season, Douglas 31, Betts 33. Very little cover for the likes of B Crouch and Talia who it would be hard to be confident in getting through the entire season unscathed by injury. Some of that's in the lap of the injury Gods as it is for all clubs of course. Really sounds as though the club has adopted the approach of throwing the kitchen sink at 2018, but positioning themselves for a "top up" in 2019.

That's naive, even for you JK.

[JK]

In the end when the dust settles. The crows have effectively traded out Lever, pick 16 and pick 35 for Gibbs,a 2018 first rounder (approx 10), and a 2018 second rounder - low 20s.

I think the trades have mutual benefit for all 3 clubs.

Actually, looking at it that way it's not so bad afterall

[Booney]

Forget the swapping of late picks or the "points" they add up to, effectively it's Gibbs for picks 10 and 16 which is overs unless Adelaide win the premiership in 2018. Fairly simple equation, hardly anything to it.

“Two round-one draft picks was pretty unrealistic and pretty irresponsible list management if we were to entertain that."
Justin Reid, 2016

This is naïve even for you Booney

So it's not overs if Adelaide don't win '18?

Now two round-one picks ins't unrealistic?

[MW]

In the end when the dust settles. The crows have effectively traded out Lever, pick 16 and pick 35 for Gibbs,a 2018 first rounder (approx 10), and a 2018 second rounder - low 20s.

I think the trades have mutual benefit for all 3 clubs.

Careful Ron, you are taking the entire trade into consideration rather than picking and choosing parts of the trade for your own argument...

[JK]

That's naive, even for you JK.

When have you known me to be anything else??? (Actually dont really answer that)

[mots02]

In the end when the dust settles. The crows have effectively traded out Lever, pick 16 and pick 35 for Gibbs,a 2018 first rounder (approx 10), and a 2018 second rounder - low 20s.

I think the trades have mutual benefit for all 3 clubs.

and that's the secret here... to wait until its all done to make judgement. i'm more than comfortable with what the crows have put together so far.

[stan]

My god some of the crap talk om here. The trade is fine, and the crows still have 2 x first for next years strong draft. They landed Gibbs to add to there midfield right now and then 2 x 18 year old next year from the first round.

Carlton have done well also, a few more first round picks to assist in the 10 year rebuild.

[Booney]

In the end when the dust settles. The crows have effectively traded out Lever, pick 16 and pick 35 for Gibbs,a 2018 first rounder (approx 10), and a 2018 second rounder - low 20s.

I think the trades have mutual benefit for all 3 clubs.

Careful Ron, you are taking the entire trade into consideration rather than picking and choosing parts of the trade for your own argument...

Right now you can't quantify future picks, sure it's a first rounder next year from Melbourne and Adelaide are building a war chest to get at Lukosious or Rankine etc but there's a long way between now and then...what you can quantify is what this trade means for 2017. It's 10 and 16 for Gibbs and last year that was, in Reid's words not mine, irresponsible to entertain.

[Booney]

My god some of the crap talk om here. The trade is fine, and the crows still have 2 x first for next years strong draft. They landed Gibbs to add to there midfield right now and then 2 x 18 year old next year from the first round.

Carlton have done well also, a few more first round picks to assist in the 10 year rebuild.

Carlton are in their 5th 10 year rebuild, nobody cares about them.

[Brodlach]

No matter what we do we won't get either Rankine or Lukosious ( unless we finish bottom few next year)

[Brodlach]

My god some of the crap talk om here. The trade is fine, and the crows still have 2 x first for next years strong draft. They landed Gibbs to add to there midfield right now and then 2 x 18 year old next year from the first round.

Carlton have done well also, a few more first round picks to assist in the 10 year rebuild.

Carlton are in their 5th 10 year rebuild, nobody cares about them.

Now now can't we talk like grown ups

[Ron Burgundy]

In the end when the dust settles. The crows have effectively traded out Lever, pick 16 and pick 35 for Gibbs,a 2018 first rounder (approx 10), and a 2018 second rounder - low 20s.

I think the trades have mutual benefit for all 3 clubs.

Careful Ron, you are taking the entire trade into consideration rather than picking and choosing parts of the trade for your own argument...

Right now you can't quantify future picks, sure it's a first rounder next year from Melbourne and Adelaide are building a war chest to get at Lukosious or Rankine etc but there's a long way between now and then...what you can quantify is what this trade means for 2017. It's 10 and 16 for Gibbs and last year that was, in Reid's words not mine, irresponsible to entertain.

Really depends how you look at a glass with 50% liquid in it.

[MW]

No matter what we do we won't get either Rankine or Lukosious ( unless we finish bottom few next year)

They'll have a crack and packaging some picks to go up the order.

[Brodlach]

TRADE
West Coast & Gold Coast in pick swap.
Eagles get pick 21, 26, 37 and 2018 second rounder
Suns get pick 50 and 2018 first rounder.

[Booney]

In the end when the dust settles. The crows have effectively traded out Lever, pick 16 and pick 35 for Gibbs,a 2018 first rounder (approx 10), and a 2018 second rounder - low 20s.

I think the trades have mutual benefit for all 3 clubs.

Careful Ron, you are taking the entire trade into consideration rather than picking and choosing parts of the trade for your own argument...

Right now you can't quantify future picks, sure it's a first rounder next year from Melbourne and Adelaide are building a war chest to get at Lukosious or Rankine etc but there's a long way between now and then...what you can quantify is what this trade means for 2017. It's 10 and 16 for Gibbs and last year that was, in Reid's words not mine, irresponsible to entertain.

Really depends how you look at a glass with 50% liquid in it.

Absolutely, if Adelaide hold a cup up next year it's 50% full, if they don't it's getting emptied.

[Jim05]

TRADE
West Coast & Gold Coast in pick swap.
Eagles get pick 21, 26, 37 and 2018 second rounder
Suns get pick 50 and 2018 first rounder.

Suns obviously need the first for Weller

[Booney]

My god some of the crap talk om here. The trade is fine, and the crows still have 2 x first for next years strong draft. They landed Gibbs to add to there midfield right now and then 2 x 18 year old next year from the first round.

Carlton have done well also, a few more first round picks to assist in the 10 year rebuild.

Carlton are in their 5th 10 year rebuild, nobody cares about them.

Now now can't we talk like grown ups

Convince me that I'm wrong then.

[Brodlach]

Someone worked the points out on the Gibbs deal

If Adelaide finish 4th and Carlton finish 15th the basically the Crows pay Pick 7 and Pick 69. Good deal

[stan]

TRADE
West Coast & Gold Coast in pick swap.
Eagles get pick 21, 26, 37 and 2018 second rounder
Suns get pick 50 and 2018 first rounder.

Suns obviously need the first for Weller

Now heres a ******* stupid trade from us. **** sakes next years first rounders are like diamonds. **** me.

[Lightning McQueen]

TRADE
West Coast & Gold Coast in pick swap.
Eagles get pick 21, 26, 37 and 2018 second rounder
Suns get pick 50 and 2018 first rounder.

Are the suns planning on just being shit next year and concentrating on 2019?