Grade Cricket

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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:48 am

I don't know if the AFL still do this but there used to be a payment that would filter back through the pathway when a player got drafted, played his first AFL game, played x number of games.

Would be great if cricket had something similar for players reaching first class or international level

Eg Harry Nielsen making his debut for SA recently, money split in whatever ratio between:

West Torrens
Western Suburbs junior association
St Michael's College
Woodville

(Assuming that these are the clubs/associations he was involved in on the way through)
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:12 am

Port are trying exceptionally hard to get the kids going well, they have a good junior training program and doing all they can, unfortunately, kids don't want to go out there as they have languished around the bottom for a while in the juniors.

What can they do? Does the SACA enforce zoning? Should the neighbouring clubs be disadvantaged because they have maintained strong junior presence for a prolonged period of time.

You can't really have a dig at Port getting some imports, they basically had their doors almost closed upon them and needed to act quick and smart, they've now got themselves some silverware, their lower grades are improving and I'm sure they will keep doing what they can to improve their junior presence.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:29 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:Port are trying exceptionally hard to get the kids going well, they have a good junior training program and doing all they can, unfortunately, kids don't want to go out there as they have languished around the bottom for a while in the juniors.

What can they do? Does the SACA enforce zoning? Should the neighbouring clubs be disadvantaged because they have maintained strong junior presence for a prolonged period of time.

You can't really have a dig at Port getting some imports, they basically had their doors almost closed upon them and needed to act quick and smart, they've now got themselves some silverware, their lower grades are improving and I'm sure they will keep doing what they can to improve their junior presence.

Agree 100%

Zones need to either be enforced completely or abandoned.

The rules as they are presently are like being half pregnant. There are zones but you can also play for a neighbouring club if you want. Naturally in a small city like Adelaide where you are only 10 minutes drive from everything then kids/families will gravitate to clubs that are regarded as stronger.

Get rid of zones altogether and then there is more flexibility. At the clubs with really strong junior there would be players in the Whites or even missing selection altogether that still go alright and could end up being a good cricketer. It might actually benefit a kid who is U/14 to be the 5th kid picked at Port rather than the 20th kid picked at Sturt. Would get more opportunities, bat higher, play a higher grade etc. Getting rid of zones would provide more flexibility.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:52 am

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Lightning McQueen wrote:Port are trying exceptionally hard to get the kids going well, they have a good junior training program and doing all they can, unfortunately, kids don't want to go out there as they have languished around the bottom for a while in the juniors.

What can they do? Does the SACA enforce zoning? Should the neighbouring clubs be disadvantaged because they have maintained strong junior presence for a prolonged period of time.

You can't really have a dig at Port getting some imports, they basically had their doors almost closed upon them and needed to act quick and smart, they've now got themselves some silverware, their lower grades are improving and I'm sure they will keep doing what they can to improve their junior presence.

Agree 100%

Zones need to either be enforced completely or abandoned.

The rules as they are presently are like being half pregnant. There are zones but you can also play for a neighbouring club if you want. Naturally in a small city like Adelaide where you are only 10 minutes drive from everything then kids/families will gravitate to clubs that are regarded as stronger.

Get rid of zones altogether and then there is more flexibility. At the clubs with really strong junior there would be players in the Whites or even missing selection altogether that still go alright and could end up being a good cricketer. It might actually benefit a kid who is U/14 to be the 5th kid picked at Port rather than the 20th kid picked at Sturt. Would get more opportunities, bat higher, play a higher grade etc. Getting rid of zones would provide more flexibility.


The zone question will be interesting if informal discussions regarding Uni and Port combining juniors is happening. "Rumour" has it that Uni to play Junior reds sides and Port play whites sides, games played at West Beach. Call gone out to the former "bookworms" :lol: to see if they have kids interested.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:56 am

Tony Clifton wrote:Agree 100%

Zones need to either be enforced completely or abandoned.

The rules as they are presently are like being half pregnant. There are zones but you can also play for a neighbouring club if you want. Naturally in a small city like Adelaide where you are only 10 minutes drive from everything then kids/families will gravitate to clubs that are regarded as stronger.

Get rid of zones altogether and then there is more flexibility. At the clubs with really strong junior there would be players in the Whites or even missing selection altogether that still go alright and could end up being a good cricketer. It might actually benefit a kid who is U/14 to be the 5th kid picked at Port rather than the 20th kid picked at Sturt. Would get more opportunities, bat higher, play a higher grade etc. Getting rid of zones would provide more flexibility.

Pretty fair analogy there mate, last season my lad was registered with one club, had two others asking for him to represent them for the statewide cup and ended up playing at another instead in a last minute decision, I don't think we live in any of the 4 clubs involved zones.

He sat out district cricket this season but ready to give it a good crack next season, he was getting burnt out last season playing too much and it was starting to become a chore for him too early, too many kids hit 15 or 16 and are all cricketed out, he's 12 at the moment.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 11:57 am

The Hound wrote:The zone question will be interesting if informal discussions regarding Uni and Port combining juniors is happening. "Rumour" has it that Uni to play Junior reds sides and Port play whites sides, games played at West Beach. Call gone out to the former "bookworms" :lol: to see if they have kids interested.

Weren't they offering scholarships too for kids to attend Adelaide High?
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby mickey » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:06 pm

tigerfan11 wrote:I’m interested in knowing exactly which of these premiership players was an under /14 or 16 for port. I have weeks, Aussie, Reynolds, carter... not sure on Thomas, chatto (NT??) or McDonald. BENTON / dalgiesh / Kerr / sayers recruits. That’s only 35-50% of own juniors players. Kartas would have been a good in to play in this game, after getting a 100 on the Saturday.

I believe the 80/20 rule should apply to filling clubs 1st grade 11 each game... so maximum of 3 recruits outside of your club junior/country program per side. Uni should be required to go back to the original philosophy of Students of AU... but can still have 3 x non students/recruits per game. Which teams would fit this model today? Off the top of my head, most 11s would have the following non jnrs/ country zone:

Southerns (2-3 non juniors) - comack / mansale / ???
Glenelg (0??) maybe a DLCA or 2, but don’t know...
West Torrens (0??)
Sturt (3) - Dick / Sth African (name too hard) / Woods
Adelaide (0??) a DLCA or 2??
Kensington (3-4) - hose / white / Ross?? ACT / Frankie
Ttg (4-5) - gatting / Somerfield/ Hutchinson/ Page / Atkinson
Port (5-6) - as above
Uni (11 haha, but question is how many non student of AU, safe to say 6-8)
Woodville (3-4) - Neilson / Andrews / DICKMAN / DLCA???
Prospect (5-6) miller / McGreg-Baptist/ Cameron / DLCA / keen / cook??
Northerners - (2-3) Agnew / DLCA ?? / NZ bloke
East Torrens - (1-2) Zampa / DLCA?? Bit hard to recruit when no one likes playing with half the team

Be interesting to see if the all powerful SA premier cricket Comittee that is full of individual agendas would consider this. Montitoring it could’ve be given to a SACA comps rep, and clubs can report others to be checked...
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:07 pm

The Hound wrote:The zone question will be interesting if informal discussions regarding Uni and Port combining juniors is happening. "Rumour" has it that Uni to play Junior reds sides and Port play whites sides, games played at West Beach. Call gone out to the former "bookworms" :lol: to see if they have kids interested.

Are people jumping at shadows? There were rumours like this last year when the merger was on the cards and the West Beach development was happening. From memory though this was categorically denied by AUCC. Pretty sure there was something on their website refuting the rumour. Will try to dig it up
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:14 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
The Hound wrote:The zone question will be interesting if informal discussions regarding Uni and Port combining juniors is happening. "Rumour" has it that Uni to play Junior reds sides and Port play whites sides, games played at West Beach. Call gone out to the former "bookworms" [emoji38] to see if they have kids interested.

Are people jumping at shadows? There were rumours like this last year when the merger was on the cards and the West Beach development was happening. From memory though this was categorically denied by AUCC. Pretty sure there was something on their website refuting the rumour. Will try to dig it up
Looks like people love to connect University, West Beach & juniors. Far as I'm aware Adelaide are 1 year into a multi year lease to play juniors at West Beach.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Aerie » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:34 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
The Hound wrote:The zone question will be interesting if informal discussions regarding Uni and Port combining juniors is happening. "Rumour" has it that Uni to play Junior reds sides and Port play whites sides, games played at West Beach. Call gone out to the former "bookworms" :lol: to see if they have kids interested.

Are people jumping at shadows? There were rumours like this last year when the merger was on the cards and the West Beach development was happening. From memory though this was categorically denied by AUCC. Pretty sure there was something on their website refuting the rumour. Will try to dig it up


It was denied by AUCC, but something fishy was going on. Being very kind, perhaps AU and AUCC had their wires crossed and who knows what SACA was saying to them.

With strong junior clubs in Adelaide, West Torrens and Glenelg all circling the newly built Uni cricket grounds at West Beach - I'm not sure what adding another district junior cricket club in that area provides South Australian cricket. Hence the SACA trying to get rid of West Torrens a couple of years ago.

Well done to Port Adelaide on the One Day Cup win. Their A Grade team is certainly a lot stronger now and has been for a decade or so.

Instead of looking critically at what they have had to do to be competitive at A Grade level, perhaps they should be assisted (along with Northerns, Woodville and Southerns) in getting more kids involved in playing cricket who might otherwise not be able to afford to do so.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Feb 26, 2018 2:55 pm

Aerie wrote:
It was denied by AUCC, but something fishy was going on. Being very kind, perhaps AU and AUCC had their wires crossed and who knows what SACA was saying to them.

With strong junior clubs in Adelaide, West Torrens and Glenelg all circling the newly built Uni cricket grounds at West Beach - I'm not sure what adding another district junior cricket club in that area provides South Australian cricket. Hence the SACA trying to get rid of West Torrens a couple of years ago.

Well done to Port Adelaide on the One Day Cup win. Their A Grade team is certainly a lot stronger now and has been for a decade or so.

Instead of looking critically at what they have had to do to be competitive at A Grade level, perhaps they should be assisted (along with Northerns, Woodville and Southerns) in getting more kids involved in playing cricket who might otherwise not be able to afford to do so.

Northern's aren't struggling for kids. their 14's are very strong in both grades.
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby The Hound » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:42 pm

I'm not sure what adding another district junior cricket club in that area provides South Australian cricket.

I think you will find the law chamber discussions are around one club playing in the Reds and the other club playing in the Whites, (in effect a merger but not really), therefore negating the bye in the Whites while still giving you the same number of junior teams in each grade 12.

Pt A having to provide junior numbers at the next GCC meeting, I believe.

H31 - more than 1 ground at West Beach so the multi-year deal will still be in place ;)
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:07 pm

The Hound wrote:H31 - more than 1 ground at West Beach so the multi-year deal will still be in place ;)


Adelaide lease 2 of them.....leaving only 1 more!
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:56 pm

Worth having a look at the Perfect Pitch facebook page. There's a pic of Windsor Gardens deck with some 'interesting' comments flying back and forth
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:04 pm

Has Chris Duval finished playing?

Heard that Riley Robinson is not playing either. Working weekends with harvest/vintage
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Jim05 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 9:18 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:Has Chris Duval finished playing?

Heard that Riley Robinson is not playing either. Working weekends with harvest/vintage

Correct regarding Riley
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Feb 26, 2018 10:04 pm

Jim05 wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Has Chris Duval finished playing?

Heard that Riley Robinson is not playing either. Working weekends with harvest/vintage

Correct regarding Riley

That's a shame. Was looking the goods

Life getting in the way of cricket :evil:
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Footy Smart » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:21 am

Tony Clifton wrote:Worth having a look at the Perfect Pitch facebook page. There's a pic of Windsor Gardens deck with some 'interesting' comments flying back and forth


I saw the pic when it first went up, looked pretty good for a school deck. Its been taken down now i think. What were the comments?
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby heater31 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:23 am

Footy Smart wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:Worth having a look at the Perfect Pitch facebook page. There's a pic of Windsor Gardens deck with some 'interesting' comments flying back and forth


I saw the pic when it first went up, looked pretty good for a school deck. Its been taken down now i think. What were the comments?
A lot of the comments are now deleted.

Early on it was about the venue being a shit hole.....
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Re: Grade Cricket

Postby Tony Clifton » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:38 am

A few lower grade players had a massive crack at the venue. Others fired back. Got quite personal including airing some alleged below the belt sledging that had occurred onfield.

Very entertaining!
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