The South Australian Political Landscape

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:21 am

morell wrote:What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?


Former Veterans Affairs Minister Martin Hamilton Smith this morning admitted he believed the Labor Government kept the plans under wraps “because the government didn’t like it (the plans) at all”.


I can see why you don't think its deceit
They kept their plans for the Repat and Noarlunga quiet until after the 2 by-elections last time
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby jo172 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:28 am

morell wrote:What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?


But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 8:47 am

jo172 wrote:
morell wrote:What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?


But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.


Or maybe release them and say they don't support them
But that would be like releasing other information like, say, cabinet documents to show when you knew about Oakden, or a safety report for nRAH
How fortunate we were that Gillman went to the Supreme Court so we could all see the lies told to us
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby heater31 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:59 pm

4 Department chiefs told to clean out their desks this morning.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:37 pm

heater31 wrote:4 Department chiefs told to clean out their desks this morning.


Do you reckon this bloke might be $hitting himself?

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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby morell » Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:55 pm

If not releasing plans before they're ready or you're happy with them is deceitful than I've been deceitful my entire career in the public service. As has every Government, ever.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby jo172 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:06 pm

morell wrote:If not releasing plans before they're ready or you're happy with them is deceitful than I've been deceitful my entire career in the public service. As has every Government, ever.


Morrell, they were the developers plans, not the governments.

They were clearly held under wraps for the sole purpose of not further alienating opponents of the sale of the Repat.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Booney » Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:30 pm

There's been a noticeable shift in people's defence/offence strategies in this thread since last Saturday night.

Been interesting to watch.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby morell » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:08 pm

jo172 wrote:
morell wrote:If not releasing plans before they're ready or you're happy with them is deceitful than I've been deceitful my entire career in the public service. As has every Government, ever.


Morrell, they were the developers plans, not the governments.

They were clearly held under wraps for the sole purpose of not further alienating opponents of the sale of the Repat.

Well if they were the developers plans, what responsibility does the Government have to release them?

More than likely the Government contracted a consultant to prepare a master plan? The process for that is iterative in nature. It's not about being deceitful, it's about ensuring peoples wants and needs are considered.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby morell » Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:13 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
jo172 wrote:
morell wrote:What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?


But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.


Or maybe release them and say they don't support them
and if they did that they'd be naive in the extreme. And foolish.

Have you been involved in the public consultation space before?
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby am Bays » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:27 pm

Booney wrote:There's been a noticeable shift in people's defence/offence strategies in this thread since last Saturday night.

Been interesting to watch.

Best explanation I can come up with is: Glasnost
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:43 pm

morell wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
jo172 wrote:
morell wrote:What deceit? They saw some plans, didn't like them.

You want them to release and tacitly endorse plans they don't actually support?


But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.


Or maybe release them and say they don't support them
and if they did that they'd be naive in the extreme. And foolish.

Have you been involved in the public consultation space before?


Yes, but I wasn't involved in this one:

https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf ... al-DPA.pdf

So, the Development Plan was changed to allow a wider range of uses for the new owners.
Very convenient. Probably doubled or tripled the price.
Who would have thought we would end up with what they are proposing now? :-k

ACH Group’s vision for renewal of the Repat includes an exciting mixed-use site for the whole community (included but not limited to):
• health and aged care services, including transition care and day hospital services
• both inpatient and outpatient services
• education and training facilities
• accommodation with an emphasis towards supporting the needs of aged persons, retirement living, Veterans, disability and students
• a research and innovation hub
• open, green spaces, gardens and cafes that will be available for the whole community to use
• continued community use of the hydrotherapy pool
• veterans’ services; and
• allied health services including medical imaging, pathology, podiatry, and pharmacy.


Very LTO like. Allow the new owners access to the data and, bingo; 4x the price

But nothing to do with the government is it?????
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby am Bays » Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:53 pm

jo172 wrote:Re Mawson if you take Antony Green's word for it most of the remaining votes to count are declarations rather than postals and as such are unlikely to skew Liberal to the same extent as the postals.

Inside word is that of the 1000 odd absentee votes counted today Biggles has done the best
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby jo172 » Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:15 pm

am Bays wrote:
jo172 wrote:Re Mawson if you take Antony Green's word for it most of the remaining votes to count are declarations rather than postals and as such are unlikely to skew Liberal to the same extent as the postals.

Inside word is that of the 1000 odd absentee votes counted today Biggles has done the best


Electoral Commission has his lead back to 198 votes.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby morell » Wed Mar 21, 2018 7:39 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
morell wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
jo172 wrote:But for allowing the sale of the Hospital and DPA to make the plans possible/feasible.

They didn't have to like the plans but their policy positions undoubtedly created the underlying situation that led to the Plans.

Hamilton-Smith and Labor can hardly wash their hands and say nothing to do with us.


Or maybe release them and say they don't support them
and if they did that they'd be naive in the extreme. And foolish.

Have you been involved in the public consultation space before?


Yes, but I wasn't involved in this one:

https://www.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf ... al-DPA.pdf

So, the Development Plan was changed to allow a wider range of uses for the new owners.
Very convenient. Probably doubled or tripled the price.
Who would have thought we would end up with what they are proposing now? :-k

ACH Group’s vision for renewal of the Repat includes an exciting mixed-use site for the whole community (included but not limited to):
• health and aged care services, including transition care and day hospital services
• both inpatient and outpatient services
• education and training facilities
• accommodation with an emphasis towards supporting the needs of aged persons, retirement living, Veterans, disability and students
• a research and innovation hub
• open, green spaces, gardens and cafes that will be available for the whole community to use
• continued community use of the hydrotherapy pool
• veterans’ services; and
• allied health services including medical imaging, pathology, podiatry, and pharmacy.


Very LTO like. Allow the new owners access to the data and, bingo; 4x the price

But nothing to do with the government is it?????
It has everything to do with the Government. I just don't know what your actual problem is. Everything you've said is pretty much standard practice.
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:48 am

morell wrote: It has everything to do with the Government. I just don't know what your actual problem is. Everything you've said is pretty much standard practice.


It certainly was
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby Jimmy_041 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:52 am

Booney wrote:
GWW wrote:Any thoughts on the ministry?

Chapman - Attorney General?

Lucas - Treasurer (confirmed)

Wingard - Transport?

Spiers - ?

?

?


Tarzia will be given something juicy as reward. Health or police?


How about Speaker? :shock:
Mind you, it wouldn’t be hard to do a better job
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby jo172 » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:06 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Booney wrote:
GWW wrote:Any thoughts on the ministry?

Chapman - Attorney General?

Lucas - Treasurer (confirmed)

Wingard - Transport?

Spiers - ?

?

?


Tarzia will be given something juicy as reward. Health or police?


How about Speaker? :shock:
Mind you, it wouldn’t be hard to do a better job


Well the test is not sending pornography to female legislators.

What the Labor Right will let people get away with in the name of holding power never ceases to amaze
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby stan » Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:12 am

jo172 wrote:
Jimmy_041 wrote:
Booney wrote:
GWW wrote:Any thoughts on the ministry?

Chapman - Attorney General?

Lucas - Treasurer (confirmed)

Wingard - Transport?

Spiers - ?

?

?


Tarzia will be given something juicy as reward. Health or police?


How about Speaker? :shock:
Mind you, it wouldn’t be hard to do a better job


Well the test is not sending pornography to female legislators.

What the Labor Right will let people get away with in the name of holding power never ceases to amaze


I don't know mate, I have seen some crazy stuff from all sides of politics to hold power. I think our pollies are all good and ethical until it affects there hold on power, then as you said it is amazing what they are allowed to get away with.
Read my reply. It is directed at you because you have double standards
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Re: The South Australian Political Landscape

Postby morell » Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:08 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
morell wrote: It has everything to do with the Government. I just don't know what your actual problem is. Everything you've said is pretty much standard practice.


It certainly was
and will continue to be. No matter who is in power at the time, getting master plans right and suitable for public consumption before releasing them is going to continue.

Trust you will be calling the new Liberal Government deceitful when they do the exact same thing.
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