Australian Tour of South Africa

[heater31]

Stiff if you are a bowler in Sydney Grade Cricket next season! [emoji44]

[LaughingKookaburra]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

[whufc]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

Completely disagree, have played cricket for 30 years and have never ball tampered myself or seen any of my teammates do it either.

[am Bays]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

That's where I stopped reading

Muppet cricket (which is all I played) is not international cricket so the standard is better and the standards are higher too.

[Lightning McQueen]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

Completely disagree, have played cricket for 30 years and have never ball tampered myself or seen any of my teammates do it either.

Same, it's common protocol for the batting team's captain to take the ball home.

I would've punched a team mate in the face if I suspected ball tampering, spit and sweat is the best method, an older bloke that used to bowl these little in-dippers used to put it down the top of his arse crack the dirty pig, he could swing the ball like a boomerang though.

[Lightning McQueen]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

That's where I stopped reading

Muppet cricket (which is all I played) is not international cricket so the standard is better and the standards are higher too.

30 odd f***king camera's about too, what a bunch of dickheads, Bancroft reminds me of the young lad on Shawshank Redemption that could've free'd Dufresne.

[whufc]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

Completely disagree, have played cricket for 30 years and have never ball tampered myself or seen any of my teammates do it either.

Same, it's common protocol for the batting team's captain to take the ball home.

I would've punched a team mate in the face if I suspected ball tampering, spit and sweat is the best method, an older bloke that used to bowl these little in-dippers used to put it down the top of his arse crack the dirty pig, he could swing the ball like a boomerang though.

Stuff that I'm not shining the ball so you pacemen can take all the glory!!! Spin for days!!!

[Booney]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. If you or anyone you know has been involved in that sort of ball tampering they should be ashamed of themselves. As a player I always had a spare set of socks in my kit bag, as a captain I would use one of those clean socks to house the ball in from one week to the next if we were bowling week one and went home with the ball. Mr Sheen, metal fab spray, bacon fat, buffing it with a machine, I call bullshit.

You get given a new ball, if you shine one side of it ie do your best to maintain the new condition of the ball then that's part of keeping the ball in the best condition you can, it benefits the batting and bowling team.

[LaughingKookaburra]

Not me mate knew of it happening but when you're a 16 year old kid playing seniors you just play. Mind you I heard of heaps of other scenarios. Shit that was a long time ago now I haven't played for ever.

[stampy]

hearing that some players dont even want to play the final test,WTF??? professional sportsmen representing you ******* country!!! as if the 2nd innings at cape town wasnt bad enough, someone shake these prima donnas up FFS...

[mighty_tiger_79]

I think Davey deserved more than Smith....but unfortunately Smith as Captain really should have known better. We expect this from Davey. I mean nothing surprises us with him. He will never play Test cricket again and hopefully never represents Australia again.
Smith, will have the opportunity to return the national side should his form warrant it.

Bancroft...dunno what to make of it. Its unlikely he will return to the national team, mainly cos his spot really wasnt cemented. He seems to have had some priors.


The CA sanctions appear to be more in line with what the ICC should have.

Interesting to see if the players appeal, they've apparently got their legal teams in place.

[Lightning McQueen]

hearing that some players dont even want to play the final test,WTF??? professional sportsmen representing you ******* country!!! as if the 2nd innings at cape town wasnt bad enough, someone shake these prima donnas up FFS...

Who? Starc?

[stampy]

hearing that some players dont even want to play the final test,WTF??? professional sportsmen representing you ******* country!!! as if the 2nd innings at cape town wasnt bad enough, someone shake these prima donnas up FFS...

Who? Starc?

no names mentioned so i dunno

[Tony Clifton]

hearing that some players dont even want to play the final test,WTF??? professional sportsmen representing you ******* country!!! as if the 2nd innings at cape town wasnt bad enough, someone shake these prima donnas up FFS...

Chadd!!!!

[Lightning McQueen]

no names mentioned so i dunno

I had heard a whisper that Starc wasn't up to it, after his MOTM performance in the 1st test he's had a return of 3/304 so it wouldn't surprise me.

[Lightning McQueen]

hearing that some players dont even want to play the final test,WTF??? professional sportsmen representing you ******* country!!! as if the 2nd innings at cape town wasnt bad enough, someone shake these prima donnas up FFS...

Chadd!!!!

He'll only play if Hazlewood doesn't, fingers crossed.

[stampy]

hearing that some players dont even want to play the final test,WTF??? professional sportsmen representing you ******* country!!! as if the 2nd innings at cape town wasnt bad enough, someone shake these prima donnas up FFS...

Chadd!!!!

He'll only play if Hazlewood doesn't, fingers crossed.

so shit is going down but surely you put some pride in performance - not get skittled in a session?

[cracka]

LOVE how everyone has their opinion on this. Everyone who has ever played park cricket has been involved and knows about ball tampering. Every captain I’ve played under brings the ball back on week 2 if you have been rolled early on week 1and the ball is in better nick than it was brand new! Heard people using Mr Sheen, metal fabrication spray and bacon fat cooked in to one side of the ball and then finishing it off using a car buffer. The ******* ball was hooping for 30 overs better than a new pill!

Rubbish. Absolute rubbish. If you or anyone you know has been involved in that sort of ball tampering they should be ashamed of themselves. As a player I always had a spare set of socks in my kit bag, as a captain I would use one of those clean socks to house the ball in from one week to the next if we were bowling week one and went home with the ball. Mr Sheen, metal fab spray, bacon fat, buffing it with a machine, I call bullshit.

You get given a new ball, if you shine one side of it ie do your best to maintain the new condition of the ball then that's part of keeping the ball in the best condition you can, it benefits the batting and bowling team.

I haven't played cricket for 20 years but the only cheating I'd heard of back then was if you bat first you don't mow the grass for the next week & if you bat 2nd you mow the grass real short. These were 2 day games played on different weekends.

[marbles]

smith said "what u guys up to", warner explains and smith says " i dont wanna know"

now he's being sent home & escorted through the airport with 8 body guards around him lol

has lehmann spoken publicly yet?

[pels]

Very good article by Brett Geeves

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricket/au ... 35ff343e47
Schapelle was young and had made an epic blunder, she had laid her trust in the wrong people – family ay – yet here she was, being treated like a resistant sheep not wanting to be rolled through the dipping process.
The throng of locals, that bashed on the top of the police vehicle in which she sat, had been whipped into a frenzy by the masses of international media that were on the scene to report to the world her unravelling life.
The imagery of her pain was key.
But, she was a convicted drug smuggler, and with every pang of sorrow and concern that waved over me for the welfare of this young lady, there was a secondary flow. One of realism: she was now a criminal. And criminals get no sorrow, or concern, or access to the mindset that things should be different for them.
And here we are: comparing the unravelling life and treatment of a convicted drug smuggler making her way through a frenzied mob, to the scene of Steve Smith being roughly escorted by South African police, while being taunted, ridiculed and abused by a frenzied mob whose pack mentality of disgust had been whipped up by the masses of international media attention and confected public outrage.
The key? Imagery of Smith’s pain.
Twelve months out of the game.
Reported income loss of four million dollars.
And the extreme condemnation from a country of hyperbolic social media driven ‘like’ hunters.
I’ve seen people on social media, who I know to have little interest in the game, writing 600-word eulogies for the death of Australian cricket.
I’ve listened to and read pieces from former cricketers who are falling over themselves to deliver a hypocritical or contradictory message of disgust about the intolerable nature of ball tampering.
Mike Hussey. Yes, Mike Hussey, spewed love on the impeccable reputation held by Rahul Dravid in his column for Players Voice.
“What’s the first thing that springs to your mind when someone mentions Rahul Dravid? I’d be surprised if you said, ‘He scored 28 hundreds,’ (or however many it was) but in no way surprised if you answered, ‘He was The Wall. He had an incredible technique and temperament. He played the game with great integrity.’ And so on.” Writes Hussey for the players voice.
“That’s how you’re remembered – and it carries over into your life after cricket”
“I worry for guys like Steve Smith and Dave Warner and their reputations after the ball tampering episode at Newlands”
The first thing that springs to my mind when someone mentions Dravid, given the events of the week, is the fact that he is an ICC sanctioned ball tamperer!! He’s the lozenger guy to the shiny side of 2004.
He got caught. He was the Indian vice-captain at the time.
If you ever wanted proof as to where this level of indiscretion sat within the psyche of current and former professional cricketers and also the world’s administrators, you need only see how quickly Hussey forgot that Dravid’s reputation should be tarnished by the very same reason he had been asked to sit down and pen those words.
How could Hussey forget that the Indian vice-captain, the one he was offering sweet love, was an ICC sanctioned ball tamperer?
Because we have never actually cared for it – until now.
And this is why James Sutherland and the senior leaders of Australian cricket are as guilty as Smith, Warner and Bancroft.
It is their systems, structures, policies, guidelines and rules that have watered down the mindset to ball-tampering not ever being perceived as a form of cheating from grade to Test throughout Sutherland’s reign as CEO.
A five-run penalty in grade cricket is not how to treat someone you perceive to be a cheat.
A one match (MAX) ban from the ICC is not how a cheat is punished.
Now I am not condoning any of the actions that have seen these punishments handed down. You get caught, you take what comes to you…but that punishment has to come from the playbook already written.
This reactionary punishment from Sutherland is gross. And it reeks of individual salvation for him, his board and his senior ranking leaders.
If they were true leaders, and they truly believed that ball-tampering was as heinous a crime as they are now publicly claiming, they would have acted on ball-tampering in this country a long time ago.
Sutherland has sat at that chair for 17 years, as a former fast man himself, and has allowed that five-run penalty to stand. He has allowed the ICC to treat it as a misdemeanour. And now that the public has thrown a tantrum through their naivety to the way in which the game has always been played, he had to find his mark. Better that red dot be aimed in the middle of Smith, Warner and Bancroft’s forehead than his.
Cash talks, baby.
And let’s not forget the man has form in throwing his players under the bus to meet the demands of bankroll.
Monkeygate saw Sutherland completely lose himself in the BCCI’s bluster of tour abandonment. And rather than let them walk, to show the appropriate level of support to his players, he embarrassingly caved to those controlling the CA bank roll; the one that pays his bills.
The tampering of the ball, the cover-up through a couple of panicked lies and some sandpaper are not a reflection of the cultural problem in Australian cricket as a stand-alone entity.
The bigger problem is the ever present silo leadership style that continually shifts blame through a sustained flow of hypocrisy and the shameful push of individual self-worth — both figurative and literal — across all lines of management, coaches and players, that runs deeper than the dark art itself.