Bomber Thompson arrested

[Grenville]

https://www.triplem.com.au/sport/afl/news/mark-thompson-reportedly-arrested-and-charged-with-drug-offences

Sad news, obviously all the pressure got to him

If you believe all the talk this has been a long time coming.
There was talk many years ago that he was involved when Stokes got busted and even people at Geelong commented that at times he was aloof and would miss trainings from time to time.
He rocked up absolutely whacked at our presentation night the year he coached and then there are the dodgy property deals and numerous dealings with bikies over the journey. As Benny said he was cooked on AFL360 most of the time

I remember listening on SEN to the replay of his speech at The Bombers presentation, as you said Jim he was off his nana.

[daysofourlives]

As Jim has said he's been off the rails for a long long time nothing to do with the Essenondon saga.
At Geelong he alledgedly had an affair with a players girlfriend, not sure if he was married at the time but she was certainly with one of his players. 'Absolutely no sympathy from me and he should do time.

[Grenville]

As Jim has said he's been off the rails for a long long time nothing to do with the Essenondon saga.
At Geelong he alledgedly had an affair with a players girlfriend, not sure if he was married at the time but she was certainly with one of his players. 'Absolutely no sympathy from me and he should do time.

When this was going on he tried lecturing the players at training about morals, a Cats forward took umbrage and gave him a spray. Didn't go down well.

[mighty hounds]

As Jim has said he's been off the rails for a long long time nothing to do with the Essenondon saga.
At Geelong he alledgedly had an affair with a players girlfriend, not sure if he was married at the time but she was certainly with one of his players. 'Absolutely no sympathy from me and he should do time.

When this was going on he tried lecturing the players at training about morals, a Cats forward took umbrage and gave him a spray. Didn't go down well.

Who was it Grenville?

[Grenville]

As Jim has said he's been off the rails for a long long time nothing to do with the Essenondon saga.
At Geelong he alledgedly had an affair with a players girlfriend, not sure if he was married at the time but she was certainly with one of his players. 'Absolutely no sympathy from me and he should do time.

When this was going on he tried lecturing the players at training about morals, a Cats forward took umbrage and gave him a spray. Didn't go down well.

Who was it Grenville?

Kent Kingsley.

[Q.]

It's more abundant and cheaper than ever

You think it'll be harder to get and more expensive if it was legalised?

Do we want to limit access and increase the price? Or actually solve the problem of drug addiction?

When someone is willing to rob a petrol station after already selling everything they have just to feed a habit, the "threat" of a criminal conviction for drug use aint going to do shit other than put these people further into a spiral.

The price is also moot. As one drug goes up in price, people find a cheaper alternative. The cheaper the product, usually the more dangerous the ingredients - again, causing more issues.

How does legalising it help solve the problem of drug addiction?
Like you said the price of it is almost irrelevant and making it easier to access(even thought it's easy already) won't fix that problem.

Two-fold economic effect. Criminal justice system uses less resources/funding + State income stream -> $$$ diverted to treatment programs.

[morell]

Drug trafficking wouldn't exist if we treated drug addiction as a health problem and legalised and regulated it's provision.

Legalise ice?

Jeebus...

Absolutely.

How are the current methods of control going?

It's be proven, pretty much categorically, that regulation is the best method of reducing drug use, and that in fact, the criminalisation of drugs *exacerbates* their use.

Maybe Mr Dutarte has it right in the Philippines

Tens of thousands of people have died, many innocent, many children, in his war on drugs.

Thats a really poor post, to be honest.

[morell]

You think it'll be harder to get and more expensive if it was legalised?

Do we want to limit access and increase the price? Or actually solve the problem of drug addiction?

When someone is willing to rob a petrol station after already selling everything they have just to feed a habit, the "threat" of a criminal conviction for drug use aint going to do shit other than put these people further into a spiral.

The price is also moot. As one drug goes up in price, people find a cheaper alternative. The cheaper the product, usually the more dangerous the ingredients - again, causing more issues.

How does legalising it help solve the problem of drug addiction?
Like you said the price of it is almost irrelevant and making it easier to access(even thought it's easy already) won't fix that problem.

Two-fold economic effect. Criminal justice system uses less resources/funding + State income stream -> $$$ diverted to treatment programs.

Control the supply, control the dose = No more overdoses
Ability to ween
Ability to monitor health
Ability to put in place mitigation programs
Tax revenue - See Cigarettes and Alcohol
More money = more treatment programs
Crime reduction
No more shanking people in alleys for your fix
Black market and trafficking disappears
As Q. mentioned, less load on criminal system

There is this myth I think, that drug addicts are somehow strolling through the daisies, having a grand old time, getting high like it’s the 60’s at Woodstock. That is simply not reality. When used by people that are dependent and addicted, they are more often than not using drugs as an escape – from a mental health issue, poverty or abuse …

By installing a legalised system, you increase the ability to solve the problem that is causing them to want to take drugs, rather than treating the outcome. By criminalising it, you’re just making the problems that makes them want to take drugs, worse.

[Jim05]

[quote="morell"]Drug trafficking wouldn't exist if we treated drug addiction as a health problem and legalised and regulated it's provision.

Legalise ice?

Jeebus...

Absolutely.

How are the current methods of control going?

It's be proven, pretty much categorically, that regulation is the best method of reducing drug use, and that in fact, the criminalisation of drugs *exacerbates* their use.

Maybe Mr Dutarte has it right in the Philippines

Tens of thousands of people have died, many innocent, many children, in his war on drugs.

Thats a really poor post, to be honest.[/quote]
In every war there is collateral damage. Manila is a far safer place to visit now than it once was thanks to him. I feel far safer walking the streets of Manila at 3am than I do Adelaide and if that means a few drug users or traffickers have to bite the bullet so to speak I’m comfortable with that.

[morell]

Absolutely.

How are the current methods of control going?

It's be proven, pretty much categorically, that regulation is the best method of reducing drug use, and that in fact, the criminalisation of drugs *exacerbates* their use.

Maybe Mr Dutarte has it right in the Philippines

Tens of thousands of people have died, many innocent, many children, in his war on drugs.

Thats a really poor post, to be honest.

In every war there is collateral damage. Manila is a far safer place to visit now than it once was thanks to him. I feel far safer walking the streets of Manila at 3am than I do Adelaide and if that means a few drug users or traffickers have to bite the bullet so to speak I’m comfortable with that.

We have a very different moral compass, then.

You think it's ok to murder innocent people so there is a perception of safety?

Well ****, I feel unsafe after a Norwood game on the parade. Might start gunning down some eastern suburbs types.

[Jim05]

[quote="morell"]
Absolutely.

How are the current methods of control going?

It's be proven, pretty much categorically, that regulation is the best method of reducing drug use, and that in fact, the criminalisation of drugs *exacerbates* their use.

Maybe Mr Dutarte has it right in the Philippines

Tens of thousands of people have died, many innocent, many children, in his war on drugs.

Thats a really poor post, to be honest.

In every war there is collateral damage. Manila is a far safer place to visit now than it once was thanks to him. I feel far safer walking the streets of Manila at 3am than I do Adelaide and if that means a few drug users or traffickers have to bite the bullet so to speak I’m comfortable with that.

We have a very different moral compass, then.

You think it's ok to murder innocent people so people have a perception of safety?

Well ****, I feel unsafe after a Norwood game on the parade. Might start gunning down some eastern suburbs types.[/quote]
It’s not just a perception though. Knowing many people who live over there they all love him and what he is doing for their country. They had a massive problem over there and finally someone is doing something about it. And yes I’m a strong advocate of corporal punishment

[morell]

Tens of thousands of people have died, many innocent, many children, in his war on drugs.

Thats a really poor post, to be honest.

In every war there is collateral damage. Manila is a far safer place to visit now than it once was thanks to him. I feel far safer walking the streets of Manila at 3am than I do Adelaide and if that means a few drug users or traffickers have to bite the bullet so to speak I’m comfortable with that.

We have a very different moral compass, then.

You think it's ok to murder innocent people so people have a perception of safety?

Well ****, I feel unsafe after a Norwood game on the parade. Might start gunning down some eastern suburbs types.

It’s not just a perception though. Knowing many people who live over there they all love him and what he is doing for their country. They had a massive problem over there and finally someone is doing something about it. And yes I’m a strong advocate of corporal punishment

It's a funny thing, perception.

It's not working, at all. But I'm pleased you have some personal anecdotes.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-phil ... SKBN19G05D

[Jim05]

[quote="morell"]Tens of thousands of people have died, many innocent, many children, in his war on drugs.

Thats a really poor post, to be honest.

In every war there is collateral damage. Manila is a far safer place to visit now than it once was thanks to him. I feel far safer walking the streets of Manila at 3am than I do Adelaide and if that means a few drug users or traffickers have to bite the bullet so to speak I’m comfortable with that.

We have a very different moral compass, then.

You think it's ok to murder innocent people so people have a perception of safety?

Well ****, I feel unsafe after a Norwood game on the parade. Might start gunning down some eastern suburbs types.

It’s not just a perception though. Knowing many people who live over there they all love him and what he is doing for their country. They had a massive problem over there and finally someone is doing something about it. And yes I’m a strong advocate of corporal punishment

It's a funny thing, perception.

It's not working, at all. But I'm pleased you have some personal anecdotes.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-phil ... SKBN19G05D[/quote]
As you said perception is a funny thing. People over there feel safer and they will vote with their feet at the next election so as long they are happy with him I’m not sure they care what outsiders think. The majority of people I’ve encountered over there almost worship him

[morell]

As you said perception is a funny thing. People over there feel safer and they will vote with their feet at the next election so as long they are happy with him I’m not sure they care what outsiders think. The majority of people I’ve encountered over there almost worship him

Respondents also reported a 6.3 percent rise in street robberies and break-ins. More than half of those polled said they were afraid to venture out at night, a proportion that had barely changed since the drug war began, said Laroza.

“People still have this fear when it comes to their neighborhoods,” he said. “It has not gone down.”

Public and police perceptions of crime levels seem to diverge.

Perception is a funny thing.

I find that if people rely on their own echo chamber and anecdotal evidence, it can be dramatically wrong.

[Dutchy]

Time for the media to leave him alone and let this one play out in court, sitting outside his house for the next 3 weeks ain't good for anyone involved.

[Lightning McQueen]

Control the supply, control the dose = No more overdoses
Ability to ween
Ability to monitor health
Ability to put in place mitigation programs
Tax revenue - See Cigarettes and Alcohol
More money = more treatment programs
Crime reduction
No more shanking people in alleys for your fix
Black market and trafficking disappears
As Q. mentioned, less load on criminal system

There is this myth I think, that drug addicts are somehow strolling through the daisies, having a grand old time, getting high like it’s the 60’s at Woodstock. That is simply not reality. When used by people that are dependent and addicted, they are more often than not using drugs as an escape – from a mental health issue, poverty or abuse …

By installing a legalised system, you increase the ability to solve the problem that is causing them to want to take drugs, rather than treating the outcome. By criminalising it, you’re just making the problems that makes them want to take drugs, worse.

I can understand your reasoning to some degree and we are all wired differently, I just could not bring myself to support legalisation of something that is so horrible and f***'s people up so much, just a walk through Parabanks or the Elizabeth City Centre makes me cringe and people wobbling their head and moving their hands around like the were doing pottery.

Do you think legalising marijuana would help with the ice epidemic?

[Jim05]

As you said perception is a funny thing. People over there feel safer and they will vote with their feet at the next election so as long they are happy with him I’m not sure they care what outsiders think. The majority of people I’ve encountered over there almost worship him

Respondents also reported a 6.3 percent rise in street robberies and break-ins. More than half of those polled said they were afraid to venture out at night, a proportion that had barely changed since the drug war began, said Laroza.

“People still have this fear when it comes to their neighborhoods,” he said. “It has not gone down.”

Public and police perceptions of crime levels seem to diverge.

Perception is a funny thing.

I find that if people rely on their own echo chamber and anecdotal evidence, it can be dramatically wrong.

As I said the majority of the people and families we encounter or stay with support him 100% and maintain their towns or villages are far safer. Perception or not our last visit to Manila was the first time in awhile where we were free to leave our hotel and wander the streets at night without military presence. It was not uncommon a few years back to be confined to your hotel at night especially around the MOA and Makatai areas.

[Lightning McQueen]

Time for the media to leave him alone and let this one play out in court, sitting outside his house for the next 3 weeks ain't good for anyone involved.

That's not gonna happen, James Hird was almost suicidal and they thrived on it.

[morell]

As you said perception is a funny thing. People over there feel safer and they will vote with their feet at the next election so as long they are happy with him I’m not sure they care what outsiders think. The majority of people I’ve encountered over there almost worship him

Respondents also reported a 6.3 percent rise in street robberies and break-ins. More than half of those polled said they were afraid to venture out at night, a proportion that had barely changed since the drug war began, said Laroza.

“People still have this fear when it comes to their neighborhoods,” he said. “It has not gone down.”

Public and police perceptions of crime levels seem to diverge.

Perception is a funny thing.

I find that if people rely on their own echo chamber and anecdotal evidence, it can be dramatically wrong.

As I said the majority of the people and families we encounter or stay with support him 100% and maintain their towns or villages are far safer. Perception or not our last visit to Manila was the first time in awhile where we were free to leave our hotel and wander the streets at night without military presence. It was not uncommon a few years back to be confined to your hotel at night especially around the MOA and Makatai areas.

Sure.

I don't think a visitor having an improved perception of being safe justifies murdering teenagers.

Especially when the goal of drug dependency and crime reduction isn't actually being achieved.

But, nice white privilege you have there.

[Jim05]

As you said perception is a funny thing. People over there feel safer and they will vote with their feet at the next election so as long they are happy with him I’m not sure they care what outsiders think. The majority of people I’ve encountered over there almost worship him

Respondents also reported a 6.3 percent rise in street robberies and break-ins. More than half of those polled said they were afraid to venture out at night, a proportion that had barely changed since the drug war began, said Laroza.

“People still have this fear when it comes to their neighborhoods,” he said. “It has not gone down.”

Public and police perceptions of crime levels seem to diverge.

Perception is a funny thing.

I find that if people rely on their own echo chamber and anecdotal evidence, it can be dramatically wrong.

As I said the majority of the people and families we encounter or stay with support him 100% and maintain their towns or villages are far safer. Perception or not our last visit to Manila was the first time in awhile where we were free to leave our hotel and wander the streets at night without military presence. It was not uncommon a few years back to be confined to your hotel at night especially around the MOA and Makatai areas.

Sure.

I don't think a visitor having an improved perception of being safe justifies murdering teenagers.

Especially when the goal of drug dependency and crime reduction isn't actually being achieved.

But, nice white privilege you have there.

Did you miss the part where I said local residents? We stay with many locals in small villages and towns over there especially on Panay/Roxas and the majority of them are very happy and believe their areas are much safer. It may not be the case but these people are comfortable with the job he is doing and will overwhelmingly vote for him next election. It’s easy for people to sit over here and pot them but go over there and spend some time with the locals.
Anyway we won’t ever agree on this topic, I think we are too lenient and you think we are too harsh and that’s the way it is