Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

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Who will win the D2 Grand Final?

Brighton
23
30%
Broadview
4
5%
Gaza
1
1%
Golden Grove
3
4%
Old Ignatians
1
1%
PHOS Camden
4
5%
Sacred Heart OC
0
No votes
Salisbury North
18
23%
St Peters OC
14
18%
Unley Mercedes Jets
9
12%
 
Total votes : 77

Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby The Bedge » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:19 pm

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The Bedge wrote:http://www.adelaidefootball.com.au/player-welfare/

Direct from the website, these are services available to all players in the AdFL in regards to their personal welfare.


Because people with mental health issues are renowned for clicking on subheadings which lead to a link for support service and seek help on their lonesome...

No arguments from me there, but to suggest the league don't have services available for players to help support them is incorrect.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby footys the winner » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:20 pm

The Bedge wrote:
footys the winner wrote:
The Bedge wrote:http://www.adelaidefootball.com.au/player-welfare/

Direct from the website, these are services available to all players in the AdFL in regards to their personal welfare.


Because people with mental health issues are renowned for clicking on subheadings which lead to a link for support service and seek help on their lonesome...

No arguments from me there, but to suggest the league don't have services available for players to help support them is incorrect.


With that mentality, I provide the same level of player welfare support as the biggest football league in Adelaide.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Look Good In Leather » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:22 pm

Trader wrote:
The Big Shrek wrote:So essentially people who play for northern suburbs teams should be punished more than college types.


Seems the opposite has been the case this year.

18 counts of striking, all 18 to the head.

There have been 9 graded intentional.

3 with severe force.
PAOC - 10 games
Henley - 9 games
Tea Tree Gully - 8 games

2 with high force.
Salisbury North - 8 games
Elizabeth - 4 + 2 games

2 with medium force
Mitchell Park - 6 games
Elizabeth - 4 games

2 with low force - both got 3+1

Elizabeth seem to be very lucky, coming out at the lower end every time.


PAOC seems to getting up there over the last couple of years
2018 - 10 games suspensions so far
2017 - 9 games

Is that just a reflection of the bigger penalties being handed out?
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Look Good In Leather » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:26 pm

The Bedge wrote:Geez I've seen people get done for DUI time and time again and continue to get a slap on the wrist and they're endangering lives FFS.


You could argue that people intentionally striking are also endangering lives
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Trader » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:27 pm

The Big Shrek wrote:PS Your conclusion that Elizabeth seem to be lucky and come out at the lower end is the most meaningless sentence ever written on her


You're right, and thank you for picking me up on it.
Elizabeth's luck this season pales into insignificance when you consider what the league have allowed SN to get away with over the last 5 years.

Remember when Jessen belted that bloke behind the play and the league looked the other way?
Or what about when James Hay was running around clocking blokes against Uni and the league looked the other way? (Photo below to rejog your memory).

So yes, you are right, Elizabeth's luck hasn't really been that good after all.

Or are you going to disagree again because the above examples also don't fit into your conspiracy theory that the league has it out for all the clubs on the wrong side of grand junction road?

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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Trader » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:29 pm

Look Good In Leather wrote:
Trader wrote:
The Big Shrek wrote:So essentially people who play for northern suburbs teams should be punished more than college types.


Seems the opposite has been the case this year.

18 counts of striking, all 18 to the head.

There have been 9 graded intentional.

3 with severe force.
PAOC - 10 games
Henley - 9 games
Tea Tree Gully - 8 games

2 with high force.
Salisbury North - 8 games
Elizabeth - 4 + 2 games

2 with medium force
Mitchell Park - 6 games
Elizabeth - 4 games

2 with low force - both got 3+1

Elizabeth seem to be very lucky, coming out at the lower end every time.


PAOC seems to getting up there over the last couple of years
2018 - 10 games suspensions so far
2017 - 9 games

Is that just a reflection of the bigger penalties being handed out?


I recon they got another one this year too.

Probably a group of lads that were used to winning, now they've plateaued and are struggling with not winning 80% of games they play.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby whufc » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:36 pm

footys the winner wrote:
whufc wrote:
Lightning McQueen wrote:
footys the winner wrote:That is an extreme hypothetical whufc.

Here is one for you that isn't too extreme.

What about the mental health of Stengle who now has a life ban for 2 suspensions over a (roughly) 15 year senior football career? Who does that fall back on?


Not to mention that he was the straw that broke the camel's back, his mental state was in my thoughts when this all unfolded, I hope he's alright.


The league should still provide mental health and anger management support.

Literally every industry in life have the ability to ban for life whether it be a resteraunt, criminal conviction, gym membership.

You suspend as you deem fit and then provide the support required to the guilty

You can’t not suspend the bloke for whacking people because he might suffer from that. Good luck with that as a defence if he went on to cause someone harm

The players are lucky they don’t face criminal convictions


I don't think anyone is arguing the suspension.

First suspension since 2005 or something which has resulted in a life ban is my issue and I can't be the only one who thinks that?

13 years without a report carries no merit?


I do agree that the system isn’t perfect and that there should be a system in place that rewards long term good behaviour as in the example of Alex.

My only argument is that I think the league are trying to be on the right track and I can understand the direction they are trying to take in this day and age of constant legal threat

Knowing Alex personally I feel for the bloke, his not a thug, his not who I envision these rules are designed to stamp out but there needs to be some rules in place.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby whufc » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:39 pm

Literally giving it 30 seconds of thought but would a system which revolves around games played by games suspended be a better basis to ban for life etc.

That’s literally as much thought as I’ve given it
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby TIRED TIGER » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:46 pm

Alex is not banned for life, just in the Adelaide footy league???. He can play in any other competition next year can’t he????
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Trader » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:48 pm

whufc wrote:Literally giving it 30 seconds of thought but would a system which revolves around games played by games suspended be a better basis to ban for life etc.

That’s literally as much thought as I’ve given it


Would you reward a clean record or punish a bad one?

I'd suggest the vast majority of players have an unblemished record. To say you are one of the majority shouldn't get you a reward in my opinion.


52 suspensions over 11 weeks so far.
Assume roughly 20 week season = say 100 suspensions a year.

20 divs, 10 teams per grade (close enough), assume 30 players per team = 6,000 players in a season.

98.3% of players go unsuspended in a season.
Extrapolating that out, 85% of players are not suspended in a career that lasts a decade. (and this number is higher if you consider within those suspended there is a higher weighting towards "repeat offenders" vs "first timers"

To say you have a clean record doesn't carry much weight if you ask me.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Lightning McQueen » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:54 pm

TIRED TIGER wrote:Alex is not banned for life, just in the Adelaide footy league???. He can play in any other competition next year can’t he????

Yes.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby WingerFC » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:55 pm

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That is crap - their reasoning is that they don't want a heap of players collectively going to a single club this weekend within the SAAFL. Looking at the list above there are only 2 players who have applied within the SAAFL. I think the real reason is they think there is a chance they will overturn the club imposed sanction and know the mess it will cause clearing everyone if there is a game to play the following week.. honestly what a mess.


JK said that they have the right to appeal before 5pm today, it's just common courtesy to wait.


That refers to Stengles appeal against the 8 games for striking. Not the appeal against the sanction.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby Bigshow82 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:14 pm

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Bigshow82 wrote:The question about clearances is irrelevant for most of you i would have thought? Why would you want any of these uncontrollable players at your club? Or is it just the SN jumper that makes them uncontrollable?

I wouldn't go tarnishing the whole place mate, there are many good people out there and the club has done some wonderful things for the community over the years.


Not tarnishing the place at all mate as this now frees up my Saturdays. Its just funny that anyone of the blokes people may be chasing to get to their club could have been in Alex's situation.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby jo172 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:18 pm

Trader wrote:
The Big Shrek wrote:PS Your conclusion that Elizabeth seem to be lucky and come out at the lower end is the most meaningless sentence ever written on her


You're right, and thank you for picking me up on it.
Elizabeth's luck this season pales into insignificance when you consider what the league have allowed SN to get away with over the last 5 years.

Remember when Jessen belted that bloke behind the play and the league looked the other way?
Or what about when James Hay was running around clocking blokes against Uni and the league looked the other way? (Photo below to rejog your memory).

So yes, you are right, Elizabeth's luck hasn't really been that good after all.

Or are you going to disagree again because the above examples also don't fit into your conspiracy theory that the league has it out for all the clubs on the wrong side of grand junction road?

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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby jo172 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:22 pm

Re the above posts you can replace the words Alex Stengle with Adam Rumbleow and it makes just as much sense.

Don't throw the punch if you're not willing to do the time prior deeds not withstanding
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby whufc » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:36 pm

Doesn’t look like the Salisbury North footballers are taking much responsibility for the clubs position if Facebook is anything to go by.

One of the common themes which I don’t think any of the footage conclusively shows is the open hand/closed fist debate.

Interesting question though, even if you are struck with an open palm should it be punished lighter if it causes the same damage of a standard punch. My personally opinion is that any strike to the head should be punished on the force. To break someone’s jaw imho would be a sign of excessive force regardless of open palm or closed fist.

I’m guessing the tribunal graded it as:
-off the ball
-high contact
-high force
-intentional strike (regardless of whether the force was meant to be that strong)

In saying that the opposition player was hanging onto him like a remora.
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby jo172 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:29 pm

The common way that they have approached all these incidents, that they are the real victims, not the people in hospital over night greatly informs how it got to this
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby jo172 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:48 pm

I just keep coming back to the fact there were a handful of clubs, along with Northies who were in the same boat a few years back.

I don't think any are perfect nor would they consider themselves to be (not out of the woods) but you'd have to agree Smithfield, Ingle Farm, Eastern Park and West Croydon all appear to be taking massive steps and treating the situation they were in with the seriousness that it was. Hell, compare the Units who voluntarily stayed on an AAA.

This isn't North vs College. JK's word was right. It's bloody recalcitrance.

I'll maintain the people running the show are good people trying to do their best. There is a degree of introspection that is for whatever reason absent
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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby The Big Shrek » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:50 pm

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Re: Adelaide Footy League Division 2 - 2018

Postby jo172 » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:00 pm

Surely they're not insane enough to want to go the injunctive root.

I've done a couple of similar cases on behalf on Incorporated associations. Leaving aside that the expelled member remained expelled after both, directly antagonising the body you want to be a part of is pure strategic insanity.

Imagine if the league were to put out a call to fund their own silk. Northies would be really popular
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