by Splinter » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:03 pm
by bennymacca » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:10 pm
by PatowalongaPirate » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:13 pm
bennymacca wrote:PatowalongaPirate wrote:I don't recall too many Finals matches I've turned off due to being a poor standard, and Finals are the reason this game is played. I am not sold on bringing in changes that are going to affect the way the post season is played.
It’s easy to tolerate a poor standard finals game though because there is something huge on the end of it which holds your interest
So crappy game becomes “good contested footy”
(Also helps that finals are between the best teams so the skill level is usually much higher)
by PatowalongaPirate » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:15 pm
Splinter wrote:Lots of talk on watching games on TV now versus the 90's and the drop in standard.
One thing to consider is that fact we are 'blessed' with Foxtel and have access to view all 9 games over the course of the weekend.
Compare this to the 90's where we may have watched the Friday night game (with teams fixtured deserving of this slot) and the game of the day from Saturday and Sunday. The broadcaster would show the SA teams game, which supporters watch regardless of the quality, and then the best game of the round, so we were seeing a higher standard. We were not subjected to a Brisbane v Fitzroy game for example in the early 90's when both teams struggled but now have access to the Suns and Carlton games each week.
Stop changing the rules and accept with your expanded competition that some teams will be weaker and when these teams play off the standard will be down.
by Senor Moto Gadili » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:19 pm
FlyingHigh wrote:tigerpie wrote:Selwood and others saying shorten the game?
He's punchy as f@#k! Struggle with coherent sentences at times tonight.
Shorten the game and shorten your pay packet pal.
The game evolves, always has. Lessen the rotations has merit.
We need to go back pre-95 and extend the quarters to 25 minutes without timeon for out of bounds and ballups.
More examples of the current ridiculous method in the Port-Freo game - first quarter went 29:40 minutes for 3 goals, second quarter 28:20 for zero goals (correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think was a stretcher in these quarters?) That's 18 minutes of time-on for three goals, and only 13 scoring shots in total.
by FlyingHigh » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:17 pm
Senor Moto Gadili wrote:FlyingHigh wrote:tigerpie wrote:Selwood and others saying shorten the game?
He's punchy as f@#k! Struggle with coherent sentences at times tonight.
Shorten the game and shorten your pay packet pal.
The game evolves, always has. Lessen the rotations has merit.
We need to go back pre-95 and extend the quarters to 25 minutes without timeon for out of bounds and ballups.
More examples of the current ridiculous method in the Port-Freo game - first quarter went 29:40 minutes for 3 goals, second quarter 28:20 for zero goals (correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think was a stretcher in these quarters?) That's 18 minutes of time-on for three goals, and only 13 scoring shots in total.
Shortening the game will do nothing to eliminate congestion. In fact, it might cause even more congestion because players are less fatigued. I'm an advocate for shortening the game to 15 minutes with time on, but it isn't the answer to congestion. I'm prepared to keep an open mind on zones, but the devil is in the detail and I'm not sure you can assess the success of zones based on what has happened in U18 games. I'm sure they will move to 4 umpires, which means they could abolish the ruck nomination and have an umpire close to play who could throw it quickly. That would help.
The best way to eliminate congestion is for teams to improve their goal kicking efficiency. Some of the best (high scoring) games this year, like Swans v North last Sunday all involved accurate goal kicking. So, let's widen the goals by 2 metres!
by Senor Moto Gadili » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:34 pm
by daysofourlives » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:35 pm
by Gilligan » Fri Jul 20, 2018 3:39 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:helicopterking wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:zero issue with the state of the game.... Sick of everytime their is a bad game the media kick up a stink... Every professional sport has bad games, they dont instantly look for changes...
Of course you don’t mind congestion. Sydney and Paul Roos were the ones who set the standard for it and Now Longmire. Any rules resulting in less congestion or even the last touch out of bounds rule would destroy Sydney and there style of play.
it's not under 8's. worst rule in football.. Anyone who legitimately likes this rule, obviously hates football and prefers netball or soccer and is part of the problem not the solution
by woodublieve12 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:40 pm
by tigerpie » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:57 pm
by Brodlach » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:22 pm
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by Brodlach » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:24 pm
Brodlach wrote:Rory Laird might end up the best IMO, he is an absolute jet. He has been in great form at the Bloods
by cracka » Fri Jul 20, 2018 8:39 pm
daysofourlives wrote:Ive said it before the only time the game is unpredictable is at a centre bounce and for the ensuing lets sy 30 seconds to a minute. We need to replicate that for a majority of the game. Once that minute passes all clubs are able to set up defensively and it becomes a boring mess of 36 players around the football. Im all for whatever it takes. Buckleys argument that we will be waiting for players to get back in zones is flawed. How bout as a coach you leave your players in the zone, if you dont want to do that then you force the hand of the rule makers to make a zone that certain players cant leave and we dont want that. The coaches should shut their mouths, they are the reson we are in this predicament. Too many coaches in the game, restricting that would help. Ive been taking notice of assistant coaches when they speak after games on radio etc and all they talk about is defence, when they lose its all about letting the opposition score too freely, its a mindset and a blighht on the game.
I used to think reducing rotations would help but given the mindset of coaches i dont think it will. They will just instruct the players to play keepings off and kick backwards and maintain possesion.
Im all for shorter games but only if they extgend the season to 34 matches. Shofrter games equal play more often, you might play on a Monday and then a FRiday and back up the next Wednesday like a basketball draw, still fit the season in, inthe same time frame. Less training more playing, im sure the players would love it. Have your bigger drawing games on weekends and your suns v carlton type game on a tuesday night. Maximiose your crowds on a weekend and who cares if theres 5 people at a game during the week. I know the idea is out there but it could work
Wubbsy i understand a Sydney fan you have a very different interpretation of whats exciting football. To 90% of fans the Sydney way is what has got us into this mess. If it wasnt for Geelong and Hawthorn over the last 10 years we wouldve reached this point long ago.
by woodublieve12 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:14 pm
cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Ive said it before the only time the game is unpredictable is at a centre bounce and for the ensuing lets sy 30 seconds to a minute. We need to replicate that for a majority of the game. Once that minute passes all clubs are able to set up defensively and it becomes a boring mess of 36 players around the football. Im all for whatever it takes. Buckleys argument that we will be waiting for players to get back in zones is flawed. How bout as a coach you leave your players in the zone, if you dont want to do that then you force the hand of the rule makers to make a zone that certain players cant leave and we dont want that. The coaches should shut their mouths, they are the reson we are in this predicament. Too many coaches in the game, restricting that would help. Ive been taking notice of assistant coaches when they speak after games on radio etc and all they talk about is defence, when they lose its all about letting the opposition score too freely, its a mindset and a blighht on the game.
I used to think reducing rotations would help but given the mindset of coaches i dont think it will. They will just instruct the players to play keepings off and kick backwards and maintain possesion.
Im all for shorter games but only if they extgend the season to 34 matches. Shofrter games equal play more often, you might play on a Monday and then a FRiday and back up the next Wednesday like a basketball draw, still fit the season in, inthe same time frame. Less training more playing, im sure the players would love it. Have your bigger drawing games on weekends and your suns v carlton type game on a tuesday night. Maximiose your crowds on a weekend and who cares if theres 5 people at a game during the week. I know the idea is out there but it could work
Wubbsy i understand a Sydney fan you have a very different interpretation of whats exciting football. To 90% of fans the Sydney way is what has got us into this mess. If it wasnt for Geelong and Hawthorn over the last 10 years we wouldve reached this point long ago.
Wow. Well said. Don't mind the 34 match season idea either.
by daysofourlives » Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:22 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:cracka wrote:daysofourlives wrote:Ive said it before the only time the game is unpredictable is at a centre bounce and for the ensuing lets sy 30 seconds to a minute. We need to replicate that for a majority of the game. Once that minute passes all clubs are able to set up defensively and it becomes a boring mess of 36 players around the football. Im all for whatever it takes. Buckleys argument that we will be waiting for players to get back in zones is flawed. How bout as a coach you leave your players in the zone, if you dont want to do that then you force the hand of the rule makers to make a zone that certain players cant leave and we dont want that. The coaches should shut their mouths, they are the reson we are in this predicament. Too many coaches in the game, restricting that would help. Ive been taking notice of assistant coaches when they speak after games on radio etc and all they talk about is defence, when they lose its all about letting the opposition score too freely, its a mindset and a blighht on the game.
I used to think reducing rotations would help but given the mindset of coaches i dont think it will. They will just instruct the players to play keepings off and kick backwards and maintain possesion.
Im all for shorter games but only if they extgend the season to 34 matches. Shofrter games equal play more often, you might play on a Monday and then a FRiday and back up the next Wednesday like a basketball draw, still fit the season in, inthe same time frame. Less training more playing, im sure the players would love it. Have your bigger drawing games on weekends and your suns v carlton type game on a tuesday night. Maximiose your crowds on a weekend and who cares if theres 5 people at a game during the week. I know the idea is out there but it could work
Wubbsy i understand a Sydney fan you have a very different interpretation of whats exciting football. To 90% of fans the Sydney way is what has got us into this mess. If it wasnt for Geelong and Hawthorn over the last 10 years we wouldve reached this point long ago.
Wow. Well said. Don't mind the 34 match season idea either.
Why don’t we just play all year round
by westozfalcon » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:00 pm
gadj1976 wrote:westozfalcon wrote:I’d like to see a rule wherein a team must have at least 1 player within its attacking 50-metre arc at ALL times. There would be a linesman at each end to monitor it. If a team breaches the rule, a flag goes up and the other side gets a penalty shot on goal from the top of the goal square.
How the Fxxx would this fix anything?
We'd have more off side type reviews than soccer does.
Stop the rule changes because the coaches will work out ways to work it to their advantage. Time for drastic change.
by bennymacca » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:03 pm
by gadj1976 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:21 pm
Splinter wrote:Lots of talk on watching games on TV now versus the 90's and the drop in standard.
One thing to consider is that fact we are 'blessed' with Foxtel and have access to view all 9 games over the course of the weekend.
Compare this to the 90's where we may have watched the Friday night game (with teams fixtured deserving of this slot) and the game of the day from Saturday and Sunday. The broadcaster would show the SA teams game, which supporters watch regardless of the quality, and then the best game of the round, so we were seeing a higher standard. We were not subjected to a Brisbane v Fitzroy game for example in the early 90's when both teams struggled but now have access to the Suns and Carlton games each week.
Stop changing the rules and accept with your expanded competition that some teams will be weaker and when these teams play off the standard will be down.
by gadj1976 » Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:24 pm
woodublieve12 wrote:bennymacca wrote:Jim05 wrote:woodublieve12 wrote:zero issue with the state of the game.... Sick of everytime their is a bad game the media kick up a stink... Every professional sport has bad games, they dont instantly look for changes...
Far more bad games than good games these days. I struggle to watch more than 1 quarter of most now and there are certain teams that I generally avoid watching if possible
I have the tv on for most games on a weekend and the Sydney North was the only non crows game that really held my interest on the weekend.
I’m not a fan of the zones but I am of the opinion they need to do something, so if people smarter than me think zones are a good idea then let’s try it
zones/presses are excellent... Love watching them live
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