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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby The Bedge » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:48 am

bennymacca wrote:This is true, but he definitely isn’t.

West coast did pretty well in getting vardy Petrie and Giles for basically nothing and it helped them compensate for the shitty durability of their rucks.

Reckon port could have done the same.

Reckon it’s poor planning on ports part given they traded away their two backup rucks (lobbe and trengove) and clearly didn’t have faith in frampton yet

Jordan Roughead, Zac Smith, Tom Nicholls, reckon there are a few around that could be gettable as a backup for next year and port should look at that if they don’t get Lycett.

I agree with all that, guess they threw all their eggs into the basket and backed in their key players to get through - high risk/high reward.

Hindsight shows now that they boo-booed.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:49 am

bennymacca wrote:
The Bedge wrote:It's all what ifs and hindsight is always so wonderful.

If Ryder was as durable as Jacobs it wouldn't have been a talking point.


This is true, but he definitely isn’t.

West coast did pretty well in getting vardy Petrie and Giles for basically nothing and it helped them compensate for the shitty durability of their rucks.

Reckon port could have done the same.

Reckon it’s poor planning on ports part given they traded away their two backup rucks (lobbe and trengove) and clearly didn’t have faith in frampton yet

Jordan Roughead, Zac Smith, Tom Nicholls, reckon there are a few around that could be gettable as a backup for next year and port should look at that if they don’t get Lycett.


This time last year I had Frampton pushing for selection in our senior side at the start of 2018.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:55 am

The Bedge wrote:
Booney wrote:Hartlett, Houston, Bonner, Pittard, Broadbent all have 50m legs on them, why oh ******* why they've been asked to chip-chip-chip 20m at a time to each other in the back half isn't using their best weapons to effect. We have to move the ball faster with more purpose from the back half.

Flow on, the forwards are leading up, doubling back, leading up, going in ******* circles and the opposition midfield drops back to outnumber us ahead of the ball and we cough it up under pressure..


Most sides setup their zones pretty quickly, as seen on occasions this year, the "chip-chip-chip" style, whilst frustrating, does force the zones to roll and readjust, and once Port can find an opening then they've broken and gone fast/long.

Biggest downside to this IMO, is that when they break and go, they are trying to pump a 50m+ kick from the middle of the ground over the back of the zone and the result is a chaos ball on Dixon's head. The upside however, is the ball is ahead of majority players which allows time for forwards to push in and pressure while the defenders are able to set up their zone effectively and quickly.

Forwards leading up, and going in circles as you said, also forces movement from opposition players to disrupt their zones - without repeat leading patterns Port would be absolutely stuffed.

Genuine outside leg speed + efficient mids is the biggest issue for Port I think - SPP, Wines, Rockliff might win the inside hard ball, but when it comes to foot skills they're (more SPP & Wines) pretty bloody ordinary. Win a clearance and it's just a slam on the boot ineffective kick down the line.


I fully appreciate the intent of the chip-chip-chip and find myself waiting for the inevitable breakdown of ball movement because of it. Our foot skills when trying to possess the ball are not anywhere near as good as our foot skills when we move the ball with intent. We move the ball long and direct and we can then get our defensive zone up high on the wing and lock it in. This works for us.

I'm happy to chip-chip if there's a risk taken at the end of the chain to transfer the play around the zone, we don't do that. We invariably kick down the line to an outnumbered contest and our defence can't get the zone high and we're vulnerable.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby bennymacca » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:55 am

So what’s happened to him then?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Dutchy » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:57 am

Brodlach wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:I guarantee that even if Lobbe didn’t got to Carlton he wouldn’t have been on the Power’s list this season


Why? he was contracted


Agreement was made


to do what?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 20, 2018 11:58 am

bennymacca wrote:So what’s happened to him then?


I wish it was more conclusive than just saying he hasn't come on and without being on the inside of the four walls I've got nothing more than that, he just hasn't come on.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby daysofourlives » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:01 pm

Booney wrote:Time for the coach(es) to implement a game plan that suits the playing group.

Hartlett, Houston, Bonner, Pittard, Broadbent all have 50m legs on them, why oh ******* why they've been asked to chip-chip-chip 20m at a time to each other in the back half isn't using their best weapons to effect. We have to move the ball faster with more purpose from the back half.

Flow on, the forwards are leading up, doubling back, leading up, going in ******* circles and the opposition midfield drops back to outnumber us ahead of the ball and we cough it up under pressure.

Flow on from that is we've got a wall built up of our mids and defenders and clubs struggle to score against us, 2nd best defence last year, 3rd best at the moment. Half our game works. The movement from defence is slow, sloppy and gives our forwards no chance.

My biggest concern is the midfield, we're second for clearances so the likes of Wines, Wingard, SPP, Rockliff etc do their job on the inside but we're lacking in outside run and pace in general. We don't have enough outside runners or really quick mids who can burst away from contests.

Ryder my biggest concern, we haven't got any back up ruckman for a bloke going 30 with an achilles that will need to be managed for the rest of his days. Lycett has to be a priority.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby The Bedge » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:03 pm

Booney wrote:I fully appreciate the intent of the chip-chip-chip and find myself waiting for the inevitable breakdown of ball movement because of it. Our foot skills when trying to possess the ball are not anywhere near as good as our foot skills when we move the ball with intent. We move the ball long and direct and we can then get our defensive zone up high on the wing and lock it in. This works for us.

This time last year Port were constantly smashed by supporters over it's poor skill level especially by foot - it's greatly improved over the last 12 months (even if people don't agree), and another pre-season under the belt and increased confidence in their ability you'd hope would see an improved confidence and with that same level of intent as when moving the ball faster.

Booney wrote:I'm happy to chip-chip if there's a risk taken at the end of the chain to transfer the play around the zone, we don't do that. We invariably kick down the line to an outnumbered contest and our defence can't get the zone high and we're vulnerable.

Agree 100%, it's the end execution that kills Port Adelaide - the kick down the line either to outnumbered contest or on Dixon's head just kills the side.

Watts should be that key link across CHF, and he's definitely quality by foot, but he looks so lazy and just doesn't impact enough contests - he looks more like an outside HFF type that a key forward target.

2019 maybe Dixon to CHF, Watts HFF and Marshall FF - they you have Dixon competed across half forward, and can have Watts/Wingard sweeping under as flanks and delivering to Marshall/Gray.

Who knows haha.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby mots02 » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:13 pm

Kane already calling for players to be traded out..... surely its SPP if anyone out of those 3.

Port Adelaide’s midfielders are too similar to each other and the club must consider trading one of three big name players, says club champion Kane Cornes.
Writing in The Advertiser, Cornes says:

“Ken Hinkley has been far too loyal to an underperforming midfield this year by continuing to select players who have performed well below their best.

“The clubs ranks 14th in clearance differential against their opposition this year, which is unacceptable for a side that possesses an elite ruckman in Paddy Ryder and big-bodied, contested midfielders such as Ollie Wines, Tom Rockliff, Brad Ebert and Sam Powell-Pepper.

“The midfield is stocked with too many similar types and the coaching panel has been unable to discover a combination that works.

“The list management team must consider trading out one of Powell-Pepper, Rockliff or Ebert as all three cannot survive alongside vice-captain Wines in the engine room.

“The trio is all contracted for next season and beyond but they may be open to a shift to another club to ensure more midfield opportunity.”
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Booney » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:13 pm

daysofourlives wrote:
Booney wrote:Time for the coach(es) to implement a game plan that suits the playing group.

Hartlett, Houston, Bonner, Pittard, Broadbent all have 50m legs on them, why oh ******* why they've been asked to chip-chip-chip 20m at a time to each other in the back half isn't using their best weapons to effect. We have to move the ball faster with more purpose from the back half.

Flow on, the forwards are leading up, doubling back, leading up, going in ******* circles and the opposition midfield drops back to outnumber us ahead of the ball and we cough it up under pressure.

Flow on from that is we've got a wall built up of our mids and defenders and clubs struggle to score against us, 2nd best defence last year, 3rd best at the moment. Half our game works. The movement from defence is slow, sloppy and gives our forwards no chance.

My biggest concern is the midfield, we're second for clearances so the likes of Wines, Wingard, SPP, Rockliff etc do their job on the inside but we're lacking in outside run and pace in general. We don't have enough outside runners or really quick mids who can burst away from contests.

Ryder my biggest concern, we haven't got any back up ruckman for a bloke going 30 with an achilles that will need to be managed for the rest of his days. Lycett has to be a priority.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby stan » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:28 pm

daysofourlives wrote:
Booney wrote:Time for the coach(es) to implement a game plan that suits the playing group.

Hartlett, Houston, Bonner, Pittard, Broadbent all have 50m legs on them, why oh ******* why they've been asked to chip-chip-chip 20m at a time to each other in the back half isn't using their best weapons to effect. We have to move the ball faster with more purpose from the back half.

Flow on, the forwards are leading up, doubling back, leading up, going in ******* circles and the opposition midfield drops back to outnumber us ahead of the ball and we cough it up under pressure.

Flow on from that is we've got a wall built up of our mids and defenders and clubs struggle to score against us, 2nd best defence last year, 3rd best at the moment. Half our game works. The movement from defence is slow, sloppy and gives our forwards no chance.

My biggest concern is the midfield, we're second for clearances so the likes of Wines, Wingard, SPP, Rockliff etc do their job on the inside but we're lacking in outside run and pace in general. We don't have enough outside runners or really quick mids who can burst away from contests.

Ryder my biggest concern, we haven't got any back up ruckman for a bloke going 30 with an achilles that will need to be managed for the rest of his days. Lycett has to be a priority.

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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby bennymacca » Mon Aug 20, 2018 12:42 pm

Not hats Morrell? ;)
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby UK Fan » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:08 pm

Melbourne will be shattered they’ve lost Trengove , Watts plus Toumpas to PAFC over the years.


Wines who is seen as the next captain and the president are currently embarrassed by the club. Now that’s interesting.

Either way u can understand why polec wants to get the hell out as quickly as possible.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby UK Fan » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:40 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:I guarantee that even if Lobbe didn’t got to Carlton he wouldn’t have been on the Power’s list this season


Why? he was contracted


Agreement was made


to do what?


To do what Broady ??
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Brodlach » Mon Aug 20, 2018 2:55 pm

Settlement for his contract
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby stan » Mon Aug 20, 2018 5:58 pm

bennymacca wrote:Not hats Morrell? ;)
No that's Morrell. What's wrong with you today Benny.
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby amber_fluid » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:35 pm

stan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Not hats Morrell? ;)
No that's Morrell. What's wrong with you today Benny.


Today?

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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby Armchair expert » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:43 pm

Brendon Lade doesn't come across well in the media, thoughts on him Power fans?
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby bennymacca » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:58 pm

stan wrote:
bennymacca wrote:Not hats Morrell? ;)
No that's Morrell. What's wrong with you today Benny.


Sorry buzz killington I was making a joke :)
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Re: Port Adelaide 2018

Postby amber_fluid » Mon Aug 20, 2018 6:58 pm

Armchair expert wrote:Brendon Lade doesn't come across well in the media, thoughts on him Power fans?


I think he’s the opposite of Hinkley.
Says what he thinks and doesn’t try to be everyone’s best friend.

Lade should be the head coach IMO
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