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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby gadj1976 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:19 pm

Not saying they did @bombers4eva more saying it for future changes to the rule, as suggested by @Hondo.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby another grub » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:20 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
another grub wrote:Anyone follow GD on facebook? :roll:

Yeah, he's been a bloody wreck since Sunday.

Needs to chill out and have a beer. His 'mail' has been completely wrong on multiple occasions.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby another grub » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:28 pm

Its a tough one. Im all for it being sorted after the game if there is a breach. Just play the game. You cant have one set penalty for a side having and extra player for 10 mins to somone who is running off as the siren sounds to start the term and has no impact.
Work out what the breach is worth and deduct the points to determine the final scores. No different to deciding how many games a suspended player gets for his breach, just deduct the points. Surely a tribunal could do that.

FFS they do it in horse racing, motor racing. Officials meet and decide the penalty. Not that fckn hard!!!
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby StrayDog » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:48 pm

Lightning McQueen wrote:
mots02 wrote:
Hondo wrote:
FlyingHigh wrote:I don't get why everyone is saying the captain calling for the count is an antiquated rule. There are more eyes on the game and easier to get a message out these days to him. A field umpire isn't going to listen to a runner pestering him.


Because if there are 19 or more on field and that can be proven or is obvious then there are 19 or more on field which should be the end of the story. Why do you need the rigmarole of stopping the game (and in fact it only being a specific player who can request the stoppage) and counting to prove what is already obvious?

Forcing a count gives time for the team in the wrong to get it right before the count can be done, as happened on the weekend.

It was a rule written when the game was completely different to what it is now. The game was slower and in those days the captain probably could have counted the players himself if the ball was stuck down the other end. Nowadays the players are constantly on the move thinking about the play. This makes it harder for the teams themselves to immediately realise there are extra players on field.

Also technology allows this to be dealt with in lots of ways that weren't available back then. Most of the crowd carry a camera.

It should never be an "out" for a team that something didn't happen when it did just because an on field count wasn't done.

I suspect the AFL will look closely at their wordings on this as well.


Refreshing to see a North supporter acknowledge that they actually did something wrong... even if by accident.

Lots of blame on umpires, league officials and the Eagles.

None of this would have happened if North had better communication with or monitoring of Tropiano when he was down in the rooms for treatment


Yep, was the most sensible post on the thread.

Focus and discussion on here has certainly been on the consequence, probably not surprising considering one club felt that they had a case to challenge the result with a view to a Grand Final place. For certain, talk of the fact that North are the ultimate authors of this Grand Final week distraction has become a tad ethereal by comparison.

The McSairnful has been making headlines for the wrong reasons for the last couple of days. Hopefully, it can be a topic of discussion for all the right reasons for the next week or two.

The best the Eagles can do now is use this experience, on and off the field, as a driver to bigger things next year.

Whoever wins this week, the players of both sides should be ******* well proud of themselves.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Hondo » Tue Sep 18, 2018 2:50 pm

FlyingHigh wrote:From you're post on the previous page which I haven't quoted, I inferred you thought the result should have been changed?


No I think the commission came to the right result, not that it is ideal. It just seems more ideal than overturning the result which I feel would have been too harsh a penalty given (1) parties agreed it was not an intentional cheat (just a very stupid error) and (2) it was not conclusive from the vision exactly what impact the 19th player had on those 3 mins 39 secs out of 120 minutes.

I do however feel for the Eagles and wish we had got to the GF without any "tainting" or whatever this is. I do however think that if we win on the weekend we deserve it (obviously) because it means we won on the day and that's all you can do.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Footy Chick » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:00 pm

it's 2018. There was bound to be some outrage somewhere, whether warranted or not :lol:
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:00 pm

Where can I view the offending game time?
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby woodublieve12 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:35 pm

19th man didn’t cost the eagles, blowing a 40 odd point lead did. More should be talked about that
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Sheik Yerbouti » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:45 pm

JK wrote:
Corona Man wrote:As a North supporter the whole thing is bloody embarrassing. Terrible way to go through to a GF. IF North win, the Premiership will always be tarnished.


History books won’t have an * next it. Can’t see any North supporter being at all concerned by it if they win the flag.


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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby another grub » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:51 pm

How can you say it didn't cost the eagles? It may have... it may not have. No body will ever know what would have happened if the extra wasn't there?

Whos to say and Eagle player wouldnt have filled the hole in front of Ramsey if he didnt have to mind a player further up the field that shouldnt have been there.... So many scenarios........ At the end of the day the punishment does not fit the crime here due to a crappy old outdated rule and outdated judge who can only go by the rule book. No common sense used at all here.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Bombers4EVA » Tue Sep 18, 2018 3:53 pm

How often do the rules get looked over?
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Eagles2014 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:20 pm

woodublieve12 wrote:19th man didn’t cost the eagles, blowing a 40 odd point lead did. More should be talked about that


Agree totally. All this drama has done has meant Godden's failures as a finals coach and his game plan in finals has been glossed over. All the attention on other matters. Have not heard him accept any responsibility for what really was a massive choke, just focussing on the 19th man fiasco.

I do think Eagles were affected early in the last quarter as the Coaches box were in chaos, but also think the right decision was made in the end. Cant imagine how Eagles players would have got up for the game knowing they were beaten last week.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby mal » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:27 pm

NA scored 1-2 with 19 players
Lets put things in another perspective
If, If , If , If
WWT had 19 on the ground and scored 1-2 instead

NA scored 1-2 to bring it from 20 points to 12 points down
If, If If , WT scored 1-2 with an extra they go from 20 points up to 28 points up

Ive changed my mind umpteen times about who should have been awarded this match
Im still undecided
The only thing now is, if you are a WWT barracker , you prob should feel hard done by
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby goddy11 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:39 pm

What still bothers me is how the commission sent this to an independent umpire who could not apply a result that that he said it should have been. They could have made that decision themselves. Olsen has to go.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Aerie » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:42 pm

Eagles2014 wrote:
woodublieve12 wrote:19th man didn’t cost the eagles, blowing a 40 odd point lead did. More should be talked about that


Agree totally. All this drama has done has meant Godden's failures as a finals coach and his game plan in finals has been glossed over. All the attention on other matters. Have not heard him accept any responsibility for what really was a massive choke, just focussing on the 19th man fiasco.

I do think Eagles were affected early in the last quarter as the Coaches box were in chaos, but also think the right decision was made in the end. Cant imagine how Eagles players would have got up for the game knowing they were beaten last week.


It’s such a fine line though. He was a genius in 2011 for defeating Central in one of the best Grand Finals ever played. But had Spurr kicked that goal, it would’ve been disaster. Had North not had 19 men for the start of the last quarter, Eagles may have won in a similar fashion. I had the pitchfork out before reading North had 19 men on Sunday night. That was such a crucial point in the game, you simply don’t know what would’ve happened if it was an even playing field. Eagles kick the first couple, like they did in all the other quarters, and it’s game over.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Aerie » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:45 pm

goddy11 wrote:What still bothers me is how the commission sent this to an independent umpire who could not apply a result that that he said it should have been. They could have made that decision themselves. Olsen has to go.

This is the most disturbing factor in all of this. It absolutely stinks. The admin of the SANFL/SA Football Commission are at best a total basket case and at worst corrupt cheats. The decision the QC was forced to make, whichever way it went, could be argued forever. No team deserved victory. A replay was the only fair option.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Bombers4EVA » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:53 pm

Aerie wrote:
goddy11 wrote:What still bothers me is how the commission sent this to an independent umpire who could not apply a result that that he said it should have been. They could have made that decision themselves. Olsen has to go.

This is the most disturbing factor in all of this. It absolutely stinks. The admin of the SANFL/SA Football Commission are at best a total basket case and at worst corrupt cheats. The decision the QC was forced to make, whichever way it went, could be argued forever. No team deserved victory. A replay was the only fair option.

The Eagles were never gonna win the game with North having either 19 or 18 on the field. North were coming home strong. Kicked most of the goals in the 3rd quarter to swing the momentum in their favour. The Eagles used all their might in the first half and then died in the ass.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Booney » Tue Sep 18, 2018 4:55 pm

Scoring in September a real problem for the Eagles.

2011 finals - 8 goals and lose, 21 goals and win, 9 goals and win, 12 goals and win the premiership.
2012 finals - 12 goals and lose
2013 finals - 11 goals and lose, 12 goals and lose
2014 finals - 10 goals and lose
2015 finals - 11 goals and win, 7 goals and lose GF
2016 finals - 12 goals and win, 7 goals and lose GF
2017 finals - 5 goals and lose, 8 goals and lose
2018 finals - 8 goals and win, 7 goals and lose, 14 goals and lose prelim.

Not a great return, 3 wins from 13 finals since the premiership, but Eagles fans know they're going to be there in September. While you want to win them you can't deny he ( Godden ) has given your club plenty of opportunities.
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby Wedgie » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:02 pm

Geezus, hard to imagine North have won 8 finals to the Eagles 3 since 2011!
And that period includes 2 spoons and a 2nd to last for North and 3 minor premierships for the Eagles as well as being in the finals every year! :shock:
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Re: Preliminary Final

Postby mal » Tue Sep 18, 2018 5:16 pm

Dragon is performing at the G/F

Is it too late to invite John Schumann and Redgum to sing a BIG hit of thiers?
That song mentions a Channell 7 lyric as well
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