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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:24 am

DOC wrote:Contracted for another year.


Might not be the worst thing for Geelong.

They have 11 and then 47,54,55,56 in the draft, they either keep topping up ( Rohan etc ) or they could try and get a couple of first rounders to play with.

Problem is Fremantle have 5 and then don't have another pick until 77 ( How did they do that in the "super" draft? ). They might get 4 for Neale so they could have 4 and 5. One of them would get Kelly, no doubt.

West Coast have 20,35,69. Nothing there would get Kelly so it's pretty much Fremantle or nothing for Kelly. Poor bastard.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:28 am

While I was looking at the above I thought I'd list the picks each club has.

WTF are Fremantle doing? They traded out future 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks last year.


Adelaide 7, 15, 19, 37, 69, 79
Brisbane 4, 22, 40, 58, 76
Carlton 1, 24, 25, 65, 73
Collingwood 17, 48, 53, 71, 89
Essendon 8, 31, 62, 80
Fremantle 5, 77
GWS 13, 23, 44, 49, 67, 85
Geelong 11, 47, 52, 55, 56, 83
Gold Coast 2, 18, 26, 29, 38, 41, 74
Hawthorn 14, 32, 50, 86
Melbourne 33, 43, 51, 87
North Melbourne 10, 28, 39, 54, 64, 82
Port Adelaide 9, 21, 27, 45, 46, 81
Richmond 16, 34, 70, 88
St Kilda 3, 57, 61, 63, 75
Sydney 12, 30, 35, 66, 84
West Coast 20, 36, 68, 72, 90
Western Bulldogs 6, 42, 59, 60, 78
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby helicopterking » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:32 am

Kelly is not worth pick four or five. Freo want to give that up go ahead, becomes #2 midfielder at Freo, where currently he is the 5th midfielder at Geelong.
I’d rather WC wait a year and get him when he’s out of contract.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:34 am

helicopterking wrote:Kelly is not worth pick four or five. Freo want to give that up go ahead, becomes #2 midfielder at Freo, where currently he is the 5th midfielder at Geelong.
I’d rather WC wait a year and get him when he’s out of contract.


He is if Neale walks as expected.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Mr Beefy » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:43 am

helicopterking wrote:Kelly is not worth pick four or five. Freo want to give that up go ahead, becomes #2 midfielder at Freo, where currently he is the 5th midfielder at Geelong.
I’d rather WC wait a year and get him when he’s out of contract.

Whats he worth then? He was pick 24, played 23 games for 24 goals, was voted best first year player, polled 13 brownlow votes so surely he is worth a top 10 pick?
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Jim05 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:50 am

Booney wrote:
helicopterking wrote:Kelly is not worth pick four or five. Freo want to give that up go ahead, becomes #2 midfielder at Freo, where currently he is the 5th midfielder at Geelong.
I’d rather WC wait a year and get him when he’s out of contract.


He is if Neale walks as expected.

Freo will need the Neale pick for Hogan
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby stan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:56 am

Booney wrote:
DOC wrote:Contracted for another year.


Might not be the worst thing for Geelong.

They have 11 and then 47,54,55,56 in the draft, they either keep topping up ( Rohan etc ) or they could try and get a couple of first rounders to play with.

Problem is Fremantle have 5 and then don't have another pick until 77 ( How did they do that in the "super" draft? ). They might get 4 for Neale so they could have 4 and 5. One of them would get Kelly, no doubt.

West Coast have 20,35,69. Nothing there would get Kelly so it's pretty much Fremantle or nothing for Kelly. Poor bastard.
I can't see us going too hard this year. We don't have the picks to piss away at the moment.
Read my reply. It is directed at you because you have double standards
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby stan » Thu Oct 04, 2018 9:57 am

DOC wrote:Lycett having a medical this morning in Adelaide.
Well shit I hope they test his blood alcohol as well.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby helicopterking » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:02 am

Mr Beefy wrote:
helicopterking wrote:Kelly is not worth pick four or five. Freo want to give that up go ahead, becomes #2 midfielder at Freo, where currently he is the 5th midfielder at Geelong.
I’d rather WC wait a year and get him when he’s out of contract.

Whats he worth then? He was pick 24, played 23 games for 24 goals, was voted best first year player, polled 13 brownlow votes so surely he is worth a top 10 pick?


I’d be livid if WC used a top 10 pick for a midfielder who is not one of your top 2 mids.
Like I said, he was Geelongs 5th midfielder, which allows you to run forward and hit the score board.
He goes to Freo and Fyfe gets injured and Neale leaves, he is the Number 1 mid getting tagged. No way he will have the same impact.
He’s a pick 12-20.
Lachie Neale is a top 10 draft pick as he has played as Freos number 1 or 2 midfielder and proven he can do it.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby helicopterking » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:04 am

stan wrote:
Booney wrote:
DOC wrote:Contracted for another year.


Might not be the worst thing for Geelong.

They have 11 and then 47,54,55,56 in the draft, they either keep topping up ( Rohan etc ) or they could try and get a couple of first rounders to play with.

Problem is Fremantle have 5 and then don't have another pick until 77 ( How did they do that in the "super" draft? ). They might get 4 for Neale so they could have 4 and 5. One of them would get Kelly, no doubt.

West Coast have 20,35,69. Nothing there would get Kelly so it's pretty much Fremantle or nothing for Kelly. Poor bastard.
I can't see us going too hard this year. We don't have the picks to piss away at the moment.


We will have compensation for Gaff and Lycett. So more then likely 3-4 picks between 20 and 35. That’s something to play with
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby David Brent » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:04 am

Booney wrote:
DOC wrote:Contracted for another year.


Might not be the worst thing for Geelong.

They have 11 and then 47,54,55,56 in the draft, they either keep topping up ( Rohan etc ) or they could try and get a couple of first rounders to play with.

Problem is Fremantle have 5 and then don't have another pick until 77 ( How did they do that in the "super" draft? ). They might get 4 for Neale so they could have 4 and 5. One of them would get Kelly, no doubt.

West Coast have 20,35,69. Nothing there would get Kelly so it's pretty much Fremantle or nothing for Kelly. Poor bastard.


WC will get a compensation pick for Gaff presumably pick 19 (will end up 20 due to Lynch).

So they might be able to throw 20 & 22 at the Cats for him who might be forced to take that. They can also chuck in next years future first rounder which I presume they still have without looking into it straight up.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:08 am

David Brent wrote:
Booney wrote:
DOC wrote:Contracted for another year.


Might not be the worst thing for Geelong.

They have 11 and then 47,54,55,56 in the draft, they either keep topping up ( Rohan etc ) or they could try and get a couple of first rounders to play with.

Problem is Fremantle have 5 and then don't have another pick until 77 ( How did they do that in the "super" draft? ). They might get 4 for Neale so they could have 4 and 5. One of them would get Kelly, no doubt.

West Coast have 20,35,69. Nothing there would get Kelly so it's pretty much Fremantle or nothing for Kelly. Poor bastard.


WC will get a compensation pick for Gaff presumably pick 19 (will end up 20 due to Lynch).

So they might be able to throw 20 & 22 at the Cats for him who might be forced to take that. They can also chuck in next years future first rounder which I presume they still have without looking into it straight up.


20 and 22 wouldn't get it done for Kelly, IMO, if it does Geelong are desperate to get into the draft and that + a 1st rounder would be too much.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby David Brent » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:16 am

Booney wrote:
David Brent wrote:
Booney wrote:
DOC wrote:Contracted for another year.


Might not be the worst thing for Geelong.

They have 11 and then 47,54,55,56 in the draft, they either keep topping up ( Rohan etc ) or they could try and get a couple of first rounders to play with.

Problem is Fremantle have 5 and then don't have another pick until 77 ( How did they do that in the "super" draft? ). They might get 4 for Neale so they could have 4 and 5. One of them would get Kelly, no doubt.

West Coast have 20,35,69. Nothing there would get Kelly so it's pretty much Fremantle or nothing for Kelly. Poor bastard.


WC will get a compensation pick for Gaff presumably pick 19 (will end up 20 due to Lynch).

So they might be able to throw 20 & 22 at the Cats for him who might be forced to take that. They can also chuck in next years future first rounder which I presume they still have without looking into it straight up.


20 and 22 wouldn't get it done for Kelly, IMO, if it does Geelong are desperate to get into the draft and that + a 1st rounder would be too much.


Would 20 & next years first rounder be enough? (Presume that would be in the range of 14-18 if WC are contending again)
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby helicopterking » Thu Oct 04, 2018 10:19 am

Geelong could then trade those picks on for a mid to late first rounder, giving them 2 first round picks. Collingwood,Hawks,Richmond, GWS
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:58 am

IT'S CHAD Wingard's decision whether he wants to stay at Port Adelaide but football manager Chris Davies says "right now, there's nothing to suggest he wants to leave".

Wingard is contracted until the end of 2019 and Davies acknowledged the talented but inconsistent star could explore his options, with the Western Bulldogs among the interested Victorian clubs.

"Where contracts have got to in the AFL competition is that with a year to go, whether it's the player or the manager or the club in some instances, they look at what they can potentially get in a year's time and work back from there," Davies told NAB AFL Trade Radio on Thursday.

The Power know what Wingard wants is pivotal.

"We're not the first cab off the rank in all of this. Chad is," Davies said.

"Fundamentally, Chad's got to have an offer that would suggest that he wants to go and right now, that's not the conversation that we're having. That'll play out over the coming days and weeks I'm sure."

However, Davies said Port doesn't want the 25-year-old to leave.

"Unless Chad gets to a point where he's got an offer on the table that would suggest he wants to leave, we plan for him to stay in 2019," Davies said.

"We're certainly not going to force Chad out. If he wants to stay at our footy club in 2019, he'll be here."


The Power are set to lose wingman Jared Polec to North Melbourne on a five-year deal worth more than $3.5 million.

North currently holds No.10 in this year's NAB AFL Draft, although that is set to be pushed to No.11 with Gold Coast likely to receive an early compensation pick for the departing Tom Lynch, who is headed to Richmond.

"We would suggest that there's a price to pay for someone like Jared. I don't think that their first pick is something that we would be unfair in asking for," Davies said.

"In fairness, North are considering that at the moment. It's probably just more about what they would want in return for that."

Port Adelaide will target midfielders with speed and class to help replace Polec.

"It's fair to say that's the type of player we're going to be looking for throughout the trade period and also the drafting period," Davies said.

Restricted free agent and West Coast ruckman Scott Lycett seems destined to land at the Power, having met with coach Ken Hinkley.

"My understanding is he’s probably had a discussion with Ken over the last little bit," Davies said.

"Before any club finalises a deal in these situations, you've obviously got to go through a process of medicals and so on."
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby MW » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:10 pm

Reading between the lines:
- Port know Chad is not worth the money he will want in 2020 and would be willing to trade.
- Chad knows Port won't pay it so is checking out big spending Vic clubs to see if anyone will offer it.
- No Vic clubs are getting close to what he wants.
- Chad will stay at Port and now Port have the upper hand in negotiations knowing no other club will stump up the major $ for him in 2020.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Booney » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:16 pm

MW wrote:Reading between the lines:
- Port know Chad is not worth the money he will want in 2020 and would be willing to trade.
- Chad knows Port won't pay it so is checking out big spending Vic clubs to see if anyone will offer it.
- No Vic clubs are getting close to what he wants.
- Chad will stay at Port and now Port have the upper hand in negotiations knowing no other club will stump up the major $ for him in 2020.


I too read the same lines.

I think his manager may have got this one wrong, but, having said that, I'm sure his next deal at Port will be better than what you and I take home.

He's probably in the $650-750k range at Port, it seems there isn't anyone willing to pay $850-900k+ to lure him / make it worth his while to leave.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby JK » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:20 pm

MW wrote:Reading between the lines:
- Port know Chad is not worth the money he will want in 2020 and would be willing to trade.
- Chad knows Port won't pay it so is checking out big spending Vic clubs to see if anyone will offer it.
- No Vic clubs are getting close to what he wants.
- Chad will stay at Port and now Port have the upper hand in negotiations knowing no other club will stump up the major $ for him in 2020.


Seems that way, although might depend on how next season's draft is viewed compared to this one. High probability this works out well for Ports, but clubs well alerted now that he could be theirs if they can free the necessary cap space in 12 months time.
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby MW » Thu Oct 04, 2018 12:43 pm

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:Reading between the lines:
- Port know Chad is not worth the money he will want in 2020 and would be willing to trade.
- Chad knows Port won't pay it so is checking out big spending Vic clubs to see if anyone will offer it.
- No Vic clubs are getting close to what he wants.
- Chad will stay at Port and now Port have the upper hand in negotiations knowing no other club will stump up the major $ for him in 2020.


I too read the same lines.

I think his manager may have got this one wrong, but, having said that, I'm sure his next deal at Port will be better than what you and I take home.

He's probably in the $650-750k range at Port, it seems there isn't anyone willing to pay $850-900k+ to lure him / make it worth his while to leave.


That would be the same for every listed player
I would love to have been a fly on the wall at Chads exit meeting with Ken. Reckon Ken thinks the same as most non-Port supporters and some Port supporters...
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Re: Trade + Draft Period 2018

Postby Jim05 » Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:26 pm

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:Reading between the lines:
- Port know Chad is not worth the money he will want in 2020 and would be willing to trade.
- Chad knows Port won't pay it so is checking out big spending Vic clubs to see if anyone will offer it.
- No Vic clubs are getting close to what he wants.
- Chad will stay at Port and now Port have the upper hand in negotiations knowing no other club will stump up the major $ for him in 2020.


I too read the same lines.

I think his manager may have got this one wrong, but, having said that, I'm sure his next deal at Port will be better than what you and I take home.

He's probably in the $650-750k range at Port, it seems there isn't anyone willing to pay $850-900k+ to lure him / make it worth his while to leave.

Next year clubs will pay it.
Clubs will always pay overs to get a FA rather than draft picks
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