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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:33 am

thevoice wrote:You'd reckon this'll test the ATCA social media policy with what's being said online. The brothers might have a holiday coming up.

It wasn't an ATCA competition was it?
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Re: ATCA

Postby thevoice » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:55 am

Tony Clifton wrote:
thevoice wrote:You'd reckon this'll test the ATCA social media policy with what's being said online. The brothers might have a holiday coming up.

It wasn't an ATCA competition was it?


Representing ATCA so I'd imagine it's relevant.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Lightning McQueen » Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:51 pm

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Representing ATCA so I'd imagine it's relevant.

They probably agree with it all, the umpire put himself above the law, purely disgraceful and is a blight on the comp.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Booney » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:35 pm

The law relating to penalty runs, doesn't it need a warning to be given before a 5 run penalty is awarded?
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Re: ATCA

Postby caleb777 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:49 pm

Booney wrote:The law relating to penalty runs, doesn't it need a warning to be given before a 5 run penalty is awarded?


There were a number of close run outs given not out which were all safe. A caught behind appeal was adjudged not out and a para hills bowler allegedly kicked the stumps down. You dont deserve a warning when you kick the stumps down IMO.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Booney » Mon Mar 04, 2019 2:58 pm

caleb777 wrote:
Booney wrote:The law relating to penalty runs, doesn't it need a warning to be given before a 5 run penalty is awarded?


There were a number of close run outs given not out which were all safe. A caught behind appeal was adjudged not out and a para hills bowler allegedly kicked the stumps down. You dont deserve a warning when you kick the stumps down IMO.


If that's what occurred then I have no problem with the penalty.
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Re: ATCA

Postby The_Observant_One » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:16 pm

Take Caleb's comments with a grain of salt, he's originally from the Ramblers and is about as one eyed as they come.

Not saying what he has said is incorrect but generally speaking if a Ramblers player had kicked the stumps, he'd find a way to blame it on the oppositions scorer
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Re: ATCA

Postby Dutchy » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:17 pm

Booney wrote:
caleb777 wrote:
Booney wrote:The law relating to penalty runs, doesn't it need a warning to be given before a 5 run penalty is awarded?


There were a number of close run outs given not out which were all safe. A caught behind appeal was adjudged not out and a para hills bowler allegedly kicked the stumps down. You dont deserve a warning when you kick the stumps down IMO.


If that's what occurred then I have no problem with the penalty.


Agree, ironically I was scoring my son's semi final yesterday and a ball hit a helmet that was sitting behind the keeper, umpire correctly gave 5 runs to the batting team, had no idea how to record it in the book other than make a seperate entry under Sundries.

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Re: ATCA

Postby The Bedge » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:46 pm

Isn’t there a row called “penalty runs” in the sundries area below no balls?
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Re: ATCA

Postby caleb777 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:59 pm

The_Observant_One wrote:Take Caleb's comments with a grain of salt, he's originally from the Ramblers and is about as one eyed as they come.

Not saying what he has said is incorrect but generally speaking if a Ramblers player had kicked the stumps, he'd find a way to blame it on the oppositions scorer


Lol. All this hate towards the Ramblers is hilarious. Im just going on what i was told and if you do read the comment I do say "allegedly", hardly one eyed champ.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Booney » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:03 pm

caleb777 wrote:
The_Observant_One wrote:Take Caleb's comments with a grain of salt, he's originally from the Ramblers and is about as one eyed as they come.

Not saying what he has said is incorrect but generally speaking if a Ramblers player had kicked the stumps, he'd find a way to blame it on the oppositions scorer


Lol. All this hate towards the Ramblers is hilarious. Im just going on what i was told and if you do read the comment I do say "allegedly", hardly one eyed champ.


I may well have played against caleb, I wouldn't be doing either Coro side any favors mate. ;)

You say "allegedly" I say "If that's what happened" you cop a whack. :lol:
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Re: ATCA

Postby Dutchy » Mon Mar 04, 2019 4:09 pm

The Bedge wrote:Isn’t there a row called “penalty runs” in the sundries area below no balls?


Not in the scorebook I was using, we made our own anyway.

Another irony is it was Coro Ramblers u16's that received the 5 runs
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Re: ATCA

Postby Harry49 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 5:13 pm

No stumps were kicked down. The 5 run penalty was for swearing at the umpire
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Re: ATCA

Postby Tony Clifton » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:05 pm

Harry49 wrote:No stumps were kicked down. The 5 run penalty was for swearing at the umpire

Is that a rule?

How do umpires determine what is a runs penalty and what is a report? Would seem dangerously subjective.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:25 pm

Tony Clifton wrote:
Harry49 wrote:No stumps were kicked down. The 5 run penalty was for swearing at the umpire

Is that a rule?

How do umpires determine what is a runs penalty and what is a report? Would seem dangerously subjective.

Yes, it's a rule in ATCA, but not sure if it applies to SAMCA games. Obviously the umpire thoight it did. In ATCA, the use of the 5 run penalty should be preceded by a first and final warning, which could involve a player being put on report. Any furtber indiscretions would incur a 5 run penalty.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Keefy » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:13 pm

Dutchy wrote:
The Bedge wrote:Isn’t there a row called “penalty runs” in the sundries area below no balls?


Not in the scorebook I was using, we made our own anyway.

Another irony is it was Coro Ramblers u16's that received the 5 runs
Took the umpires a moment to work out what happened too

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Re: ATCA

Postby The Old Fellow » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:06 pm

Senor Moto Gadili wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
Harry49 wrote:No stumps were kicked down. The 5 run penalty was for swearing at the umpire

Is that a rule?

How do umpires determine what is a runs penalty and what is a report? Would seem dangerously subjective.

Yes, it's a rule in ATCA, but not sure if it applies to SAMCA games. Obviously the umpire thoight it did. In ATCA, the use of the 5 run penalty should be preceded by a first and final warning, which could involve a player being put on report. Any furtber indiscretions would incur a 5 run penalty.


It is a law of cricket, law 42. There are 4 levels, the first is warning for minor unacceptable conduct and any further minor infringement is 5 penalty runs. Level are slightly more serious unacceptable conduct and penalty runs are awarded without any warning. The third is that a player is sent off for a period of time and level 4 is goodbye, no more involvement in the match. Any level can be a report.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:20 am

The Old Fellow wrote:
Senor Moto Gadili wrote:
Tony Clifton wrote:
Harry49 wrote:No stumps were kicked down. The 5 run penalty was for swearing at the umpire

Is that a rule?

How do umpires determine what is a runs penalty and what is a report? Would seem dangerously subjective.

Yes, it's a rule in ATCA, but not sure if it applies to SAMCA games. Obviously the umpire thoight it did. In ATCA, the use of the 5 run penalty should be preceded by a first and final warning, which could involve a player being put on report. Any furtber indiscretions would incur a 5 run penalty.


It is a law of cricket, law 42. There are 4 levels, the first is warning for minor unacceptable conduct and any further minor infringement is 5 penalty runs. Level are slightly more serious unacceptable conduct and penalty runs are awarded without any warning. The third is that a player is sent off for a period of time and level 4 is goodbye, no more involvement in the match. Any level can be a report.

ATCA have bylaw D32 which acts in lieu of Law 42. Given this was a SAMCA game, you can only assume Law 42 has been applied correctly if the Para Hills player swore at the umpire. Lucky he wasn't sent off.
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Re: ATCA

Postby Booney » Tue Mar 05, 2019 7:51 am

"Get ****** ******* hell ****"

"Easy, settle down, enough"

"Get ****** ******* shit **** ****"

"-5 runs"

That a fair assessment?
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Re: ATCA

Postby Senor Moto Gadili » Tue Mar 05, 2019 8:23 am

Booney wrote:"Get ****** ******* hell ****"

"Easy, settle down, enough"

"Get ****** ******* shit **** ****"

"-5 runs"

That a fair assessment?

I'm sure @Harry49 can fill in the blanks for us. Other than that the 5 runs are added to the oppositions score not deducted from the offending team's score
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