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Re: Carlton

Postby amber_fluid » Mon May 20, 2019 3:54 pm

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


What start again from the bottom up?
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Re: Carlton

Postby Booney » Mon May 20, 2019 3:58 pm

amber_fluid wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


What start again from the bottom up?
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Simpson, Fasolo, Thomas, Casboult, Murphy, Kreuzer, none of them are playing in 3 years and they're all in the best 22 right now.

Some serious pressure on a handful of 20-22 year olds.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Jim05 » Mon May 20, 2019 4:05 pm

Booney wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


What start again from the bottom up?
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Simpson, Fasolo, Thomas, Casboult, Murphy, Kreuzer, none of them are playing in 3 years and they're all in the best 22 right now.

Some serious pressure on a handful of 20-22 year olds.

If Fasolo and Casboult are best 22 now you are in strife. Both wouldn’t get a kick in the SANFL
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Re: Carlton

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon May 20, 2019 4:55 pm

Bottom team with no backline gets flogged away by one of the best teams in the comp, no surprise there. Bottom team nearly rolls 'the best team in the competion' last week..now that's a surprise. I reckon Bolton's on the right track but the only team with a gutted backline that is winning games is Richmond.

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Re: Carlton

Postby Booney » Mon May 20, 2019 5:01 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:Bottom team with no backline gets flogged away by one of the best teams in the comp, no surprise there. Bottom team nearly rolls 'the best team in the competion' last week..now that's a surprise. I reckon Bolton's on the right track but the only team with a gutted backline that is winning games is Richmond.

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Collingwood were "up" for the Port game on the Friday night then went into the Carlton game just thinking it was job done, they took the foot off the pedal and put it back on for the last quarter, Carlton can take nothing from that game. Nothing.
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Re: Carlton

Postby gadj1976 » Mon May 20, 2019 11:04 pm

Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


I'm not concerned by the no 1 draft pick. As I keep saying, we don't need draft picks, we need bigger bodies. Bringing 18 yo kids into this side isn't going to fix anything. As you can see, our midfield need about 3 years in the gym.

Silvagni? Why, because he's brought in a heap of good kids? Don't see what you're getting at there.
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Re: Carlton

Postby UK Fan » Tue May 21, 2019 2:22 am

gadj1976 wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


I'm not concerned by the no 1 draft pick. As I keep saying, we don't need draft picks, we need bigger bodies. Bringing 18 yo kids into this side isn't going to fix anything. As you can see, our midfield need about 3 years in the gym.

Silvagni? Why, because he's brought in a heap of good kids? Don't see what you're getting at there.



SOS is a dud. Has GWS struggled since he left or improved ??

Picking top 10 talent isn’t the hard part.recruiters would mostly have the same players just in slightly different orders imho.

Wasting picks for GWS duds plus Throwing away a potential no 1 draft pick in a rebuild due to arrogance is criminal.

Quite simply SOS was suppose to rebuild this list into something better and has monumentally failed imho.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Rik E Boy » Tue May 21, 2019 7:58 am

Booney wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:Bottom team with no backline gets flogged away by one of the best teams in the comp, no surprise there. Bottom team nearly rolls 'the best team in the competion' last week..now that's a surprise. I reckon Bolton's on the right track but the only team with a gutted backline that is winning games is Richmond.

regards,

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Collingwood were "up" for the Port game on the Friday night then went into the Carlton game just thinking it was job done, they took the foot off the pedal and put it back on for the last quarter, Carlton can take nothing from that game. Nothing.


The Pies played maybe ten more minutes of football against you than they did against Carlton. They did the same thing on ANZAC Day. The Blues were also raped by the maggots as well.

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Re: Carlton

Postby Brodlach » Tue May 21, 2019 9:45 am

gadj1976 wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


I'm not concerned by the no 1 draft pick. As I keep saying, we don't need draft picks, we need bigger bodies. Bringing 18 yo kids into this side isn't going to fix anything. As you can see, our midfield need about 3 years in the gym.

Silvagni? Why, because he's brought in a heap of good kids? Don't see what you're getting at there.


How about all the B Grade GWS players he recruited?
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Re: Carlton

Postby MW » Tue May 21, 2019 9:59 am

gadj1976 wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


I'm not concerned by the no 1 draft pick. As I keep saying, we don't need draft picks, we need bigger bodies. Bringing 18 yo kids into this side isn't going to fix anything. As you can see, our midfield need about 3 years in the gym.

Silvagni? Why, because he's brought in a heap of good kids? Don't see what you're getting at there.


Imagine the "bigger bodies" you could trade in with the no.1 pick at your disposal...
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Re: Carlton

Postby Lightning McQueen » Tue May 21, 2019 10:08 am

F*** the rebuild, they've doing that since Jesus played half back for Jerusalem, they need to do what Collingwood did and give some mature age players a lifeline.
Collingwood's recruiting has been better than anyone's over the past few years, sometimes you bang a few pigs to get to a princess but the proof is in the pudding now with some players that have returned the faith.

Adams
Aish
Crisp
Dunn
Greenwood
Hoskin-Elliott
Howe
Mayne
Treloar
Varcoe
Wells

A bit hit and miss, some inconsistency and injuries but overall they've been up and about and are probably the 2nd best side atm.

If Carlton could follow a similar plan they could at least get off the bottom for now and let there young lads develop naturally instead of continually being thrown in the deep end.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Booney » Tue May 21, 2019 11:12 am

gadj1976 wrote:
Booney wrote:
MW wrote:To potentially give up the #1 pick when you know you still have a couple of years developing seems like a silly idea though


They didn't "read the room" at all there, did they? They thought they'd finish 12th-14th and Adelaide 10th-12th and the pick would have been giving up 4 or 5 for 10 or 12.

Shows where they are at, as a club, not just the coach. The whole football department thought they were going to win 6-8 games or thereabouts.

When does Silvagni get put under the microscope?

Imagine if they had to start again.


I'm not concerned by the no 1 draft pick. As I keep saying, we don't need draft picks, we need bigger bodies. Bringing 18 yo kids into this side isn't going to fix anything. As you can see, our midfield need about 3 years in the gym.

Silvagni? Why, because he's brought in a heap of good kids? Don't see what you're getting at there.


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Re: Carlton

Postby amber_fluid » Tue May 21, 2019 11:18 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:F*** the rebuild, they've doing that since Jesus played half back for Jerusalem, they need to do what Collingwood did and give some mature age players a lifeline.
Collingwood's recruiting has been better than anyone's over the past few years, sometimes you bang a few pigs to get to a princess but the proof is in the pudding now with some players that have returned the faith.

Adams
Aish
Crisp
Dunn
Greenwood
Hoskin-Elliott
Howe
Mayne
Treloar
Varcoe
Wells

A bit hit and miss, some inconsistency and injuries but overall they've been up and about and are probably the 2nd best side atm.

If Carlton could follow a similar plan they could at least get off the bottom for now and let there young lads develop naturally instead of continually being thrown in the deep end.



We tried that avenue with Malthouse and stuffed that up as well.
We need to land some big players via FA or RFA.
Problem is no one wants to come to Carlton whilst we are shit.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Brodlach » Tue May 21, 2019 11:21 am

Must have a huge hole in your salary cap or some very average players are get paid way too much.
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Re: Carlton

Postby amber_fluid » Tue May 21, 2019 11:22 am

Brodlach wrote:Must have a huge hole in your salary cap or some very average players are get paid way too much.


Unfortunately the latter.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Brodlach » Tue May 21, 2019 11:23 am

amber_fluid wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Must have a huge hole in your salary cap or some very average players are get paid way too much.


Unfortunately the latter.

Cripps is worth half the salary cap alone


McGovern the other half?
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Re: Carlton

Postby amber_fluid » Tue May 21, 2019 11:27 am

Brodlach wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Must have a huge hole in your salary cap or some very average players are get paid way too much.


Unfortunately the latter.

Cripps is worth half the salary cap alone


McGovern the other half?


Charlie Curnow as well.
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Re: Carlton

Postby BoundaryRider84 » Tue May 21, 2019 11:28 am

Lightning McQueen wrote:F*** the rebuild, they've doing that since Jesus played half back for Jerusalem, they need to do what Collingwood did and give some mature age players a lifeline.
Collingwood's recruiting has been better than anyone's over the past few years, sometimes you bang a few pigs to get to a princess but the proof is in the pudding now with some players that have returned the faith.

Adams
Aish
Crisp
Dunn
Greenwood
Hoskin-Elliott
Howe
Mayne
Treloar
Varcoe
Wells

A bit hit and miss, some inconsistency and injuries but overall they've been up and about and are probably the 2nd best side atm.

If Carlton could follow a similar plan they could at least get off the bottom for now and let there young lads develop naturally instead of continually being thrown in the deep end.


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Re: Carlton

Postby JK » Tue May 21, 2019 11:31 am

amber_fluid wrote:
Brodlach wrote:
amber_fluid wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Must have a huge hole in your salary cap or some very average players are get paid way too much.


Unfortunately the latter.

Cripps is worth half the salary cap alone


McGovern the other half?


Charlie Curnow as well.


Been very disappointing this season Charlie .. Appears to have all the ability in the world so you wouldn't be worried about the future, but he needs to pull his finger out.
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Re: Carlton

Postby Armchair expert » Tue May 21, 2019 11:33 am

Carlton do have a spine to work around. Need some big body midfielders, small forwards, small defenders, medium defenders and they will be set.
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