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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby am Bays » Tue May 21, 2019 1:20 pm

Jimmy_041 wrote:
am Bays wrote:
I watched the ABC all night and that is not how it went. they were quite balanced. Yes some of the pundits allowed their views to come through for both sides of the political divide but at no stage did anyone on the ABC coverage say the "voters are dumb", "lets have a re-election", "it's Newscorps fault".


It was fun watching Wong at her sanctimonious best. She really doesn’t realise that pi$$es a lot of middle Australia off. Then again, I don’t think she cares. Far superior to the rest of us deplorables


This phrase was carefully written with Wong in mind. I did chuckle inwardly at about 8:15 pm Darwin time when the second round of booth data started to come in and the expected results of the Labor faithful were not materialising and her face dropped quicker than a laden skip of coal into a Wabco/Haulpack truck...

In an instant she realised that she was only going to remain on a 25% Salary loading as a Shadow Minister rather than the 50% loading she had already penciled in....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby am Bays » Tue May 21, 2019 1:34 pm

I note some of the political commentary about the divisions with the LNP still being in existence and that Morrison will be beholden to the forces of the right.

Well equally so there is going to have to be some soul searching within the ALP as the right wing and left wing battle over policy control. One only has to see the tweets of Doug Cameron and read the utterances of Joel Fitzgibbon to know that the same forces are at play within the ALP.
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Ronnie » Tue May 21, 2019 5:19 pm

Wong was a bit off but fair enough in the circumstances. Still had something to contribute.
But it's inexcusable for a taxpayer funded commentator like the ABC's Jonathan Green to complain about the result, and the supposed timidity of the electorate. The pygmies got it wrong!
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue May 21, 2019 6:08 pm

I love the word hubris

Drowning in hubris': Labor's lavish last supper before crushing loss
By Eryk Bagshaw
May 20, 2019 — 11.45pm

Queensland king prawns, salted caramel espresso martinis, massages at their desk - the Labor high command were in a mood for celebrating on election eve.

Twenty-four hours later they would be crushed by a stunning loss to an opponent that had spent the final day racing through three electorates and two states in a last minute sprint to snatch victory from an almost certain defeat.

The blame-game inside Labor is now in full swing, with many pointing squarely at its national HQ in Sydney's Parramatta.

On Friday, they booked out one of the area's most expensive restaurants, Sahra by the River, and followed up the prawns, barramundi and kafta with "kick-ons" at cocktail bar Alex & Co, according to internal messages seen by The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.

A staff member was hired to play the trumpet. They sang Solidarity Forever.

While Labor dined, Prime Minister Scott Morrison jetted across the Bass Strait to Tasmania, after visiting the top of northern Queensland and southern NSW that day. Bill Shorten stayed in Melbourne, paying respect to former prime minister Bob Hawke with beers at the John Curtin Hotel.

"We were drowning in hubris," one Labor source said.

Labor HQ was stocked with free beers from Carlton and United Breweries. They had a lottery to win massages at their desk on Fridays.



The atmosphere inside a dry Coalition headquarters was more sparse, many were resigned to an honourable defeat, their CVs updated for a life after politics. Parliament's post office had been dealing with an unexpected surge in passport applications the week before the election was called - holidays had been booked, careers were scheduled to go overseas.

The Prime Minister says the Coalition's win is a miracle and a victory for the quiet Australians.
No one was expecting Saturday's result, not even Scott Morrison. He called it a "miracle" as he took the stage as Australia's re-elected prime minister at Sydney's Sofitel Wentworth at midnight.

"There was always a scenario in which [winning the election] was one in 10, and it just happened that it was the one," said Liberal MP Tim Wilson.

NSW Labor had an inkling something was not right. Its own seat-by-seat polling, separate from federal Labor's Galaxy YouGov polls, showed it did not have a chance in Banks or Page despite the national body deciding to send vital resources there

Come Monday, former Labor pollster John Utting was forced to clarify on Twitter that "this is the first campaign, since 1996 that I have not done the federal ALP's election tracking polling. It was outsourced to Galaxy YouGov".

The same company runs Newspoll. It had Labor ahead for three years. Bill Shorten and the ALP national secretary Noah Carroll went to dinner on Friday in Melbourne and Sydney virtually certain they were going to win.

"It's the same thing that Michael Daley's team did before they lost [the NSW election], which is just the most vapid bullshit," said one staffer. "Go and stand on a polling booth."

The recriminations begin with tactics. Talking to voters in northern Queensland about electric vehicles when they are more concerned about losing their jobs did not help.

Labor also failed to neutralise what would become become a powerful Coalition weapon, the "retiree tax," label the government applied to its franking credit policy. New figures show it is likely to have cost Labor victory in areas with large older populations up the east coast and in Tasmania.

Longman, Herbert and Braddon would all fall, with Bass likely to go too. By 10pm on Saturday, so would the futures of many of those who only a day earlier had been singing Solidarity Forever
Eryk Bagshaw is an economics correspondent for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby tigerpie » Tue May 21, 2019 7:55 pm

Bowens thrown his hat in the ring.

He's no chance. His tax plan sucked according to the electorate.
He's poison now.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Corona Man » Tue May 21, 2019 8:43 pm

When does Penny step up to the plate?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue May 21, 2019 8:44 pm

Corona Man wrote:When does Penny step up to the plate?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Corona Man » Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 pm

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:
Corona Man wrote:When does Penny step up to the plate?
Can a Mod please ban CM for this highly offensive post....

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She’d make Billy Short on look popular
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue May 21, 2019 8:46 pm

Corona Man wrote:
mighty_tiger_79 wrote:
Corona Man wrote:When does Penny step up to the plate?
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She’d make Billy Short on look popular
The country doesnt need that!


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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Corona Man » Tue May 21, 2019 8:47 pm

Labour in opposition for another 10 years, what’s not to like?
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue May 21, 2019 8:57 pm

Corona Man wrote:Labour in opposition for another 10 years, what’s not to like?
Labor win next election.

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue May 21, 2019 10:13 pm

Corona Man wrote:Labour in opposition for another 10 years, what’s not to like?


Hope you enjoy the recession the LNP hand us in the meantime.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Tue May 21, 2019 10:19 pm

Corona Man wrote:When does Penny step up to the plate?
She's supporting Albo

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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Tue May 21, 2019 10:20 pm

RBA to cut interest rates in June. Should've been done sooner, but it wouldn't have looked good for the Govt leading into an election.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Tue May 21, 2019 11:53 pm

Q. wrote:RBA to cut interest rates in June. Should've been done sooner, but it wouldn't have looked good for the Govt leading into an election.


Wasn't there a pi$$ing competition one election on who gives the lower interest rates?
I'm on variable so the more cuts the better
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby The Apostle » Wed May 22, 2019 6:52 am

'Doc' Evatt...Arthur Calwell...Kim Beazley...Bill Shorten!
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Wed May 22, 2019 9:52 am

Jimmy_041 wrote:
Q. wrote:RBA to cut interest rates in June. Should've been done sooner, but it wouldn't have looked good for the Govt leading into an election.


Wasn't there a pi$$ing competition one election on who gives the lower interest rates?
I'm on variable so the more cuts the better


It was Joe Hockey who once stated:

"If the Reserve Bank does cut interest rates, it is not because the economy is doing well, it is because the economy is under-performing."
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Re: Abbott Watch

Postby Jimmy_041 » Wed May 22, 2019 1:01 pm

One of my favourite stories about interest rates and Keating

Jimmy_041 wrote:I remember one of his best ones regarding interest rates.

There was an interest rate cut which he took credit for:

Reporter: "Isn't the Reserve Bank independent?"
Keating (with a wink) "I pull the levers with them"

Interest rates go up to 17%
Keating "The Reserve Bank make their decisions independent of me"

There was always going to be only one winner with Keating's time in politics


The 2007 election was know as the interest rate debate election (ie) who was better at keeping interest rates lower

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-31/ ... te/4854044

Rudd and Swan jumped feet first into the debate.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2007-11-07/ ... deral/2007

Labor's treasury spokesman Wayne Swan says the Government cannot be trusted on interest rates because it has not done what is required to keep rates down.

Whether Howard, Costello, Rudd and Swan in 2007 or Hockey in 2013, it just shows these people will say anything to achieve their goals.
Unfortunately, we always are the mugs. I have a good, and long, memory for this stuff. Unfortunately, journalists dont so they dont question them when they say something different
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby Q. » Wed May 22, 2019 1:12 pm

Although the RBA is highly politicized, interest rates trend based on performance of economy.

The slump in household disposable income growth under LNP dictates another rate cut, however, rates are so low anyway that it won't have a great enough impact on it's own. The LNP simply must act to improve wage growth - they have failed to do so in recent years.
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Re: Abbott/Liberal Govt Watch

Postby mighty_tiger_79 » Wed May 22, 2019 4:33 pm

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